Is audio playback on a Classic even possible?

this is a good question.

I am pretty sure you can at-least play MIDI files on the 68000 cpu, its amazing what the amiga does with just a 68000 cpu!

I really do not know off hand, but am curious my self as to what all the audio capabilities are of the 68000 compacts.

i would also like to play some songs

If it is running a version of System 7 you can make the sound a System 7 Sound file and it'll play just fine. My Mac Plus with 7.0.1 plays the theme from Ms. Pacman upon startup.

"SoundApp" on a QuickTime 3+ capable Mac should be able to make System 7 Sound files for you. I think there is a version of SoundApp (<2.0 I think) that will work on a Plus, and therefore a Classic, to play AIFFs and etc.

I remember playing with sound quite a bit - as much as it was possible to do without a mic port - under System 6 on a dual-floppy SE. So yes, the processor and hardware can handle it. I don't remember the limitations as far as sample rate however, and it is strictly mono.

If it is running a version of System 7 you can make the sound a System 7 Sound file and it'll play just fine. My Mac Plus with 7.0.1 plays the theme from Ms. Pacman upon startup.
"SoundApp" on a QuickTime 3+ capable Mac should be able to make System 7 Sound files for you. I think there is a version of SoundApp (<2.0 I think) that will work on a Plus, and therefore a Classic, to play AIFFs and etc.

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1. I used SoundApp to convert a file on Mini vMac. Aiff, 22050, mono. On a completely separate instalklation of System 7.1 it makes a 'pop' sound and doesn't play.[After conversion]. On vMac of course.

2. I doesn't have a quicktime-capable mac.

3. It apparently converts, but trying to play an aiff results in a system hang up.

EDIT: I just realised, that there might be something wrong with Mini vMac itself - i tried to play a module in Sount-Trecker; i clicked play, it made that short sound, and i heard nothing afterwards [ not even system sounds] - and it seemed to play anyway. I'll try on a real hardware next time.

As far as I'm aware, Mini vMac doesn't really have sound support, if I remember correctly.

You can play AIFF files with a Mac Classic with a very small application (10K !) called "SFplay" ©1991 by Reinder Verlinde.

The user interface is minimalist. Just double-clic on the file to play it (the application doesn't have any "Open..." command).

With ResEdit, change the type of the audio document you want to play to "AIFF" and the creator to "®√PL".

Here is a link to download it : http://bit.ly/17vXpPR

The music is playing in the background, allowing you to work with another application in the same time.

I used this application on a Mac LC with sytem 7.0.1, without QuickTime, so it should work with a Classic.

The files i used to play were 22 or 11 kHz 8 bits mono sound file.

that is super cool

You can play AIFF files with a Mac Classic with a very small application (10K !) called "SFplay" ©1991 by Reinder Verlinde.The user interface is minimalist. Just double-clic on the file to play it (the application doesn't have any "Open..." command).

With ResEdit, change the type of the audio document you want to play to "AIFF" and the creator to "®√PL".

Here is a link to download it : http://bit.ly/17vXpPR

The music is playing in the background, allowing you to work with another application in the same time.

I used this application on a Mac LC with sytem 7.0.1, without QuickTime, so it should work with a Classic.

The files i used to play were 22 or 11 kHz 8 bits mono sound file.

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LC has 020, Classic has 000.

I'll try it through, thanks! :3

We need to make a really cool 68kmla theme song that can play on all our 68k mac's

or maybe someone can make some aiffs that has a couple of the top songs of the Year that mac was made



http://www.jamrockentertainment.com/billboard-music-top-100-songs-listed-by-year/top-100-songs-1985.html

Real quick what is the best way to make aiff files… well MP3 to AIFF.

The only problem with un compressed audio is, it takes up an enormous amounts of space.

be nice if aiff-c would work?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_Interchange_File_Format

Audacity with the ffmpeg libraries installed should be able to do everything you'd want with audio

I created some AIFF files with music extracts at 11 and 22kHz.  :

They are playable with the SFPlay application i mentioned before.

The files are < 700K (for the 11kHz) and < 1300K (for the 22kHz), each file has a duration of 59s. Here is the link to download the files (one archive for each sampling) : 

http://bit.ly/1eagrjK

The files were created on a PowerMac 5500 with the audio CD converting feature of SimpleText. It's a less known feature of SimpleText :

- choose "Open..." in the file menu

- select a track from an audio CD 

- click "Options..." to select the extract and the sampling rate



The resulting file is in the AIFF format.

The files play well on a my Classic II (sys. 7.1) but not on my SE (sys. 6.0.7). Perhaps the app needs Sys 7 or sound manager 2.0.

thanks for the great info!

The files play well on a my Classic II (sys. 7.1) but not on my SE (sys. 6.0.7). Perhaps the app needs Sys 7 or sound manager 2.0.

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i think its a hardware issue.

The Classic opens but does not play 6.0.8 - 7.1 - 7.5.3

the classicII opens and plays… even in 6.0.8L

works with the macintosh portable, 6.0.8 plying : Right Said Fred - I'm Too Sexy

quick time in lion allows me to convert a mp3 into anything. including aiff.

22khz variants also play on the macintosh portable. Man the portable is a beast.

The files play well on a my Classic II (sys. 7.1) but not on my SE (sys. 6.0.7). Perhaps the app needs Sys 7 or sound manager 2.0.

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So, what happens when you try to play a file on the SE?

Does it put out any sound at all or just refuse to start?

trying the se now. i will let you know.

the app opens, it just does not output any sound.

so far the SE and the Classic get no output.

I got a keyboard now; I just lack a mouse

ok so/so news.

The only 680nothing machines i can get to play AIFF's is the Macintosh Portable and Macintosh PowerBook 100

I am thinking its because of the hardware allows it.

I am going to do some more testing to see how far i can push it before it skips.

right now all i have is 10 and 22Khz mono, I am going to try stereo next

how about a System 7 sound file/snd resource?

sorry, what is your question?

- plus

- se

- classic

i still get the normal sounds, and enhanced sounds with SoundMaster with these compacts.

just as far as sfplay(plays aiff's), the only 680nohting macs that will output sound with that app is Portable and PB100.

ok the powerbook 100,

only plays 1 second of a

44khz

8bit

mono

AIFF file. and locks up solid.

next i will try

22khz

8bit

stereo

its about the same size, 28mb

@uniserver

The only 680nothing machines i can get to play AIFF's is the Macintosh Portable and Macintosh PowerBook 100I am thinking its because of the hardware allows it.

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I agree with you : an Apple Sound Chip may be required. I try a workaround by putting a Sound Manager 3.0 extension in the System folder (available in System Update 3.0 for 7.1] - just to test if the sound API of the Sound Manager could emulate in software what could not be done in hardware) but with no sucess in 6.0.7 ; perhaps could it work with 7.1.

22khz8bit

stereo

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ok this works with the powerbook 100

sounds pretty good too. But it pretty much makes the PB about useless,

its so slow, you can't multitask or use it much at all. AIFF File takes complete priority.

Even the mouse movement is lagged.

also i was wrong about the file size,

this complete 3.5 min song was 28megs @ 44khz 8bit mono, the same song was only 14 meg's @ 22khz 8bit stereo.

here is a video of the powerbook 100 playing a song.

Mac Bandet and its sound effects / multitasking stopped the music from playing… but its fine

Quick reboot and it was playing AIFF's nicely again. NOT BAD FOR ONLY 500K memory usage

https://plus.google.com/photos/100890837144428718359/albums/5947783562513152497/5947783567330415154?banner=pwa&pid=5947783567330415154&oid=100890837144428718359

last video i promise, the Macintosh Portable playing an AIFF, with only 1mb of ram (i realized later)

https://plus.google.com/photos/100890837144428718359/albums/5947846783905982433/5947846788051504178?banner=pwa&pid=5947846788051504178&oid=100890837144428718359

here is a video of the powerbook 100 playing a song.

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too sexy b:

I was asking about System 7 sounds because I would swear I was able to play them on my Plus.

I just used SoundApp (in 9.2.2 Classic OS mode in 10.2.8 on a G4 wind tunnel) to turn a WAV version of "Dance the Night Away" by Van Halen into a System 7 Sound. It's 15 MB (about half the size of the WAV), but it plays the whole song in Classic.

Dug out a Mac Classic (Sys 7.5), and it wouldn't even try to play the 15MB file (being in the neighborhood of 8x the RAM available). So I went back and made a 30-second mono clip that weighed in at 1.4MB. I double clicked it, it began whirring away with the watch and... nothing. It plays the simple Quack, Indigo, Sosumi sounds, but not a complex 30-second System 7 sound.

Betcha it'd work on a PB100 though b:

I was actually playing around with my Plus two nights ago. The Disney Screen Saver (After Dark) has a lot of music (I think it's MIDI but I could be mistaken) and it plays fine on the Plus. It just takes a while to load. System 7 sounds work on a Plus, too. That is, of course, if you run System 7

I bet the Macintosh II will play AIFF's

but then again that is a 68020, so that's not too exciting for me

university of michigan has a great old mac freeware archive

http://www.umich.edu/~archive/mac/

http://www.umich.edu/~archive/mac/sound/sounds/99bottles.cpt.hqx

this plays on the SE/plus/classic

the computer will sing 99 bottles of beer on the wall and count down.

http://www.umich.edu/~archive/mac/sound/sounds/rapmaster1.01.sit.hqx

this one is rap master, it gives you a record you can scratch and make funky beats

hey so the Plus / SE / Classic

they only have a 4 voice sound processor?

Trying to find a Software Midi Player for the 68000 mac.

i am getting a lot of mixed info.

basically Quicktime 2.0 could play midi's for me. but that requires an 020 cpu.

I do not have any MIDI hardware. just the Sound I/C's soldered to the main board.

There has to be a app i can download that would allow me to play a midi file, even if it

cuts out @ only 4 voices.

Maybe have it play some Cannon_D or maybe _C ? or does such software not really exist for the 68000 cpu… / sound hardware...

I got a mouse now, but... How is that possible that i doesn't see the System Folder on the hard drive? :x

Also: I cannot boot from any system 7 image - address error. And when trying to install, it invokes unimplemented trap. Now my mac is without a working system ;x

Will it boot from ROM (Command+Option+X+O)?

sounds like the main board needs some caps.

Will it boot from ROM (Command+Option+X+O)?

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Yes.

https://picasaweb.google.com/100890837144428718359/November202013#5948521156137347682

Video of the Macintosh SE, soundage, best I could do

Ok the tune Entertainer in my video is not a MID file… I am pretty sure, here is what the data looks like in a text editor:

0 30,

48 1000, 50 1000, 52 1000, 53 1000, 55 1000, 57 1000, 59 1000, 60 1000,

59 1000, 57 1000, 55 1000, 53 1000, 52 1000, 50 1000, 48 1000;

and here is what the data looks like in a MID file.

MThd‡MTrkˇXˇQ∑5ä∆ˇQ¿J(ˇQ¡õ(ˇQ»í(ˇQœë(ˇQ÷ó(ˇQ›¶(ˇQ‰º(ˇQÎ⁄(ˇQÛ(ˇQ˙.(ˇQ

d(ˇQ

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Á(ˇQ

5(ˇQ

this is a good question.I am pretty sure you can at-least play MIDI files on the 68000 cpu, its amazing what the amiga does with just a 68000 cpu!

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The Amiga is loaded with custom chips to handle sound and video. MOD files take advantage of the fact that the Paula chip supports 4 channels of DMA sound output.

A Mac Classic should be able to play simple digital audio like the system sounds. Some games played music, but it was usually just monotone beeps and boops (Wheel of Fortune on the Portable sounds like this). An 8Mhz 68000 just doesn't have the horsepower to do serious real-time mixing of multi-channel music.

Almost forgot about the time I got an SE/30 to play an MP3 converted to System 7...I think it took about five minutes to load it and I had a ton of virtual memory on, but it PLAYED!!!

I don't think a Plus or Classic has quite that muscle, but they could at least handle an excerpt.

I remember messing with this stuff back in the day, converting my MP3s to macintosh AIFF, and letting them play on my Q700. That was kinda neat. it wouldnt play an MP3 natively though, but it was fun doing it via AIFF.

This was back when MP3s were just taking off and P2Ps started popping up and getting popular.

when MP3's first came out i was BLOWN AWAY…

it was magic how a 40-45 meg cd quality track could fit into 3 - 3.5mb it was like black magic to me… my packard bell DX-4 100 worked pretty hard to play em though… loved WINAMP!

my friend connected to me @28.8, he was like dude you gotta check this out… sent me WINAMP.exe and then SPCE-GRLS-2BECOM1.MP3

Ha you all know at the time you thought the spice girls were hot!!

Yea those were the days, Well I remember the first MP3s i obtained, they came from mp3.com before it went "legal" then of course napster/scour media exchange.

My P133 played them pretty decently. But i could always here the "mechanical sound" in the MP3's compression, and still can for the most part. I didnt use winamp back when I first got into MP3s, I used i think sonique player or something like that.

you had a p133!!!, man you are such a snob!

Ha you all know at the time you thought the spice girls were hot!!

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:-/

I finally updated!



I just installed the system on Mini vMac, then stuffed it into a self-extracting archive, then splitted and moved on two diskettes, then joined and unpacked, then blessed the system folder, and volia~

Also, it turns out that it booted from a folder that is inside a subfolder somewhere on the hard drive, when I got it :x

AIFF's sound pretty good?

you had a p133!!!, man you are such a snob!

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And it was free, back when corporations were dumping compaq prolinea desktops by the boatloads. Was A P75 i stuck a 133 chip into. I was just a kid, volunteering with a local computer recycle/reuse facility called FCG, full circle group, which my jr high computer lab teacher got me into, he was a mac nut, and this was before I got into macs or knew anything about them. No idea if they are still around, they were loosing thier warehouse way back long ago and lost touch.

The brand new computer we had was dads, and it was a 200Mhz K6 CTX brand peice of crap from office max. That computer had everything replaced in its life but the case and motherboard. Floppy went bad at one time, so did the CDROM drive. And the processor died once. the hard drive was a 2.1GB Maxtor and it died 3 times in warranty. Ram went through a replacement, then an upgrade once when we went to Win98 from 95.

I finally got a ZIP100 floppy~

nice on the zip drive, they are quite useful.

what is the bare minim you need in order to play MP3's?

do you think a IIsi could handle such?

My 270c struggled with 22/48 mp3s, so I'd start at something around 22/32/1 and see where that gets you.

yeah i found out for MP3 playback you need a minimum of maybe a 40mhz IIfx or something like that.

A Stock(20mhz) IIsi does not have enough to even do 22khz / mono.

anyone want to try this theory, IIfx is one thing i have not been able to get my hands on.

or any working mac II main board for that matter

found this:!

Archived - Macintosh: Sound Capabilities (9/94)

The following article provides information on a variety of topics relating to audio and the Macintosh.

http://support.apple.com/kb/TA32601

Mac Plus, SE, Classic

8-bit mono sound to one channel (you'll hear only one side with stereo headphones, unless you use an adapter)

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Performa 200, Performa 400-467 (not 47x), Classic II, LC II

Mixed 8-bit mono sound to both channels (you'll hear sound out of both sides with stereo headphones, but the sound won't be true stereo)

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Performa 475, 476, LC 475, Quadra 605

Stereo 8-bit sound, including true stereo from non-audio CD's (connected externally). Audio CD's require external speakers, enhanced Apple Sound Chip supports stereo.

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Performa 5xx, 63x, LC 5xx, 630, Quadra 630

Stereo 8-bit sound, including true stereo from audio and non-audio CD's (Enhanced Apple Sound Chip supports stereo).

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Performa 600, 600CD except Mac IIvx

Mixed 8-bit mono sound to both channels, except true stereo from audio CD's (No ASIC to support stereo from software)

Among desktop Macintosh computers, only the 660AV, 840AV, and Power Macintosh models have 16-bit audio input and output capability because of the AT&T DSP3210 hardware circuitry and the 16-bit Singer codec circuitry in the AVs. The Audio Waveform Amplifier and Converter (AWAC) chip in the Power Macintosh performs the same 16-bit I/O functionality. The PowerBook 500 series computers support 16-bit stereo output, but only mono input.

Kind of interesting about the Apple IIgs:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_IIGS#Audio_features

Audio features[edit]

The Apple IIGS' sound was provided by an Ensoniq ES5503 DOC wavetable sound chip, the same chip used in Ensoniq Mirage and Ensoniq ESQ-1 professional-grade synthesizers. The chip allowed for 32 separate channels of sound, though most software paired them into 16 stereo voices, as did most of the standard tools of the operating system (the MIDISynth Tool Set grouped four channels per voice, for a limit of seven-voice audio). The IIGS is often referred to as a "fifteen-voice system," because one stereo voice is reserved by the OS at all times for timing and system sounds. Software that doesn't use the OS, or uses custom-programmed tools (most games and demos do this), can access the chip directly and take advantage of all 32 voices.

The computer's audio capabilities were given as the primary reason for record label Apple Corps's 1989 resumption of legal action against Apple that had been previously suspended. Apple Corps claimed that the IIgs' audio chip violated terms of the 1981 settlement with the company that prohibited Apple, Inc. from getting involved in the music business.

A standard 1⁄8-inch headphone jack was provided on the back of the case, and standard stereo computer speakers could be attached there. However, it provided only mono sound through this jack, and a third-party adapter card was required to produce true two-channel stereo,[7] despite the fact that the Ensoniq and virtually all native software produced stereo audio (stereo audio was essentially built into the machine, but had to be de-multiplexed by third-party cards). Applied Engineering's SonicBlaster was one of a few developed cards for this purpose.

More about the Macintosh Portable and IIci Sound Features

http://tech-insider.org/mac/research/1989/0920.html

- Apple Stereo Sound capability: The Portable features

the same high-quality digital sound capabilities as found

in the Macintosh modular line and in the SE/30.

LOL decrecy-tempovision-22k.AIFF has some serious bass man… i got my B&O head phones plugged into my IIsi… it was shocking.