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Savvio SCA drives in a 6500?
very interesting thread so far.
Yeah . . . it got me to finally tame the cable monsters residing the HackStation and put BenchMac6360 back into battery after months and months (AND MONTHS) of procrastination. I'll be going straight to testing a 73GB Savvio on the external SCSI bus with full-on OWC Termination. If that doesn't work, backward compatible UltraSCSI was well and truly borked by Apple in the Performa era tradition.
I hate to say but my beige G3's hate SCSI hard drives. Even Apple branded. Don't know why but they just kinda don't play nice.
My 8600 is picky as well, the 18.6Gb drive in it only works with my actively terminated adapters. On the older somewhere between actively and passively terminated adapters it refuses to work. It sees the drive but will freeze in the boot process. With a actively terminated adapter it boots just fine.
Well I have your adapter, and it absolutely does not work. I dont have an 18GB. only a 36, and a couple of 72s.
Yeah, I stuck the UltraSCSI card into the (previously Beige Desktop) BorgMacG3™ spawn of the 7600MetalMiniTower™ after it ate the (too large) boot partition of the HDD from my comatose QS'02. I never tried running them off the G3's SCSI after that fiasco, they were for backup/recovery ops. SCA drives work very nicely in their native mode over a PCI inbterface card.
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This thread just killed a good bit of my day with tangential playtime. I dragged what's always struck me as about a 12lb. extra height ZFP HDD enclosure off the display. The full height 5.25" boat anchor within died of stiction long ago, but I haven't been able to get rid of it for sentimental reasons . . .
. . . so i figured it'd make a great external enclosure for a pair of striped Savvios. Getting these Big@$$ suckers apart is probably fairly straightforward if you remove the warranty voiding stickerage, but that needed to be intact for my purposes. a lot of twisting of screwdrivers in the appropriate slots and pounding the rip claws of a framing hammer into the cracks with a large ball peen hammer did the trick. What's left is a really nice, cooling finned, black painted cast aluminum enclosure that's shock mounted to the silver steel (white metal?) mounting frame surround. }
Lots more stuff got dragged out, organized and packed away in the process, so it's a net plus and it's on to testing!
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This thread just killed a good bit of my day with tangential playtime. I dragged what's always struck me as about a 12lb. extra height ZFP HDD enclosure off the display. The full height 5.25" boat anchor within died of stiction long ago, but I haven't been able to get rid of it for sentimental reasons . . .
. . . so i figured it'd make a great external enclosure for a pair of striped Savvios. Getting these Big@$$ suckers apart is probably fairly straightforward if you remove the warranty voiding stickerage, but that needed to be intact for my purposes. a lot of twisting of screwdrivers in the appropriate slots and pounding the rip claws of a framing hammer into the cracks with a large ball peen hammer did the trick. What's left is a really nice, cooling finned, black painted cast aluminum enclosure that's shock mounted to the silver steel (white metal?) mounting frame surround. }
Lots more stuff got dragged out, organized and packed away in the process, so it's a net plus and it's on to testing!
It's all in the termination after all. SCSI Probe Saw something. TattleTech 2.81 told me exactly what it was and I used Drive Setup for the first time ever.
Formatted capacity: 68.34GB
PowerMac 6360/6400 Series
G3 400MHz
OS 9.0
Formatted capacity: 68.34GB
PowerMac 6360/6400 Series
G3 400MHz
OS 9.0
I'll go shove a 6500 board in there to double check. 
You lost me, Not sure what your doing. your all over the place. lol.
What else is new? ;D The Savvio works a treat in the 6360/6400, but it's NOT all in the termination.
I swapped in the 6500 board and fired it up, but it hung at the appearance of the cursor. I let it sit like that for a while and then cut power to the Savvio in the external box. It immediately booted the rest of the way no problem at all.
I powered up the external drive and it failed to mount, but I had normal computer function otherwise. SCSI Probe didn't see the Savvio at all this time, but TatteTech was able to tell me about it again. When I started up Drive Setup it poleaxed the system as soon as it began to look for available drives.
All indications are that Apple borked something in the SCSI implementation on the way to 50MHz bus goodness for the series. Go figure?
I swapped in the 6500 board and fired it up, but it hung at the appearance of the cursor. I let it sit like that for a while and then cut power to the Savvio in the external box. It immediately booted the rest of the way no problem at all.
I powered up the external drive and it failed to mount, but I had normal computer function otherwise. SCSI Probe didn't see the Savvio at all this time, but TatteTech was able to tell me about it again. When I started up Drive Setup it poleaxed the system as soon as it began to look for available drives.
All indications are that Apple borked something in the SCSI implementation on the way to 50MHz bus goodness for the series. Go figure?
Exactly. thats the same issue that I am running into.
It's not a real computer, it's a Performa! :
Oh.. it gets better....
I decided to put a USB card in it, it came in today. Soon as I did that, now the IDE hard drive is acting goofy. it was freezing at the happy mac.
Started up from CD, and realized the partitions were all corrupt, failing to mount with a -127 error of some sorts. Seemed the partition volume names were all upper/lower case every other character. Odd...
Drive setup failed the initialization. So i pulled and reinserted the motherboard, and tried another initialization. No issues yet...
Ugh, I really hate this thing. HATE it..
I decided to put a USB card in it, it came in today. Soon as I did that, now the IDE hard drive is acting goofy. it was freezing at the happy mac.
Started up from CD, and realized the partitions were all corrupt, failing to mount with a -127 error of some sorts. Seemed the partition volume names were all upper/lower case every other character. Odd...
Drive setup failed the initialization. So i pulled and reinserted the motherboard, and tried another initialization. No issues yet...
Ugh, I really hate this thing. HATE it..
. . . and it's unspeakably ugly too! ;D
It doesn't like modification. It hates change.
Naa, looks dont bother me.
I like the design; its visually appealing, at least in pictures.
my 6400 with a 250mhz 6500 mb in it now, works great. its got 2 IDE hard drives in it... a 4gb and a 6gb.
It has a Firewire card and USB card too. Worked just as good with the 180mhz 6400 board.
its funny when jt makes fun of the way they look, but i think they look pretty good, and the SUBwoofer in mine
sounds good, its real tight and hits pretty hard.
It has a Firewire card and USB card too. Worked just as good with the 180mhz 6400 board.
its funny when jt makes fun of the way they look, but i think they look pretty good, and the SUBwoofer in mine
sounds good, its real tight and hits pretty hard.
How do I get USB working? I have Mac OS 8.6 installed and its not seeing my USB sticks.
I downloaded the USB mass storage support 1.3.5 and it says not for your computer error.
Edit: Nevermind, i got it. had to install the D-USB card support first, then manually install the mass storage driver using the restore IMG process...
Seeing my 4GB USB microdrive
I downloaded the USB mass storage support 1.3.5 and it says not for your computer error.
Edit: Nevermind, i got it. had to install the D-USB card support first, then manually install the mass storage driver using the restore IMG process...
Seeing my 4GB USB microdrive
I've got a couple of Tempo Trios for my Performas, haven't really tried them yet though. They're probably from the time Sonnet made the cache slot Crescendos for these systems. From the PowerMasc x600 series on, the Mac was starved for slots until the DA finally got an extra one. ATA somethingorother, USB & FW all on one card with a good Video Card in the other slot ought to work nicely.
I run the 6360 at maxres in grayscale so the 8bit output looks gooood! ;D
edit: OMG, you're running it without Sonnetization? 9 runs fine on mine!
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I run the 6360 at maxres in grayscale so the 8bit output looks gooood! ;D
edit: OMG, you're running it without Sonnetization? 9 runs fine on mine!
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Ok well first I am going to ask have you recapped the power supply and boards? We are talking twenty years old here. They were "performas" the affordable for everyone line.
Bad caps=ghost in the machine
Bad caps=ghost in the machine
True.. but.. mine is a power Macintosh. Not a performa. I am Not sure what the difference is but that's what it says on the tag.
and I've already been through the capacitors one step ahead of you.
Difference is that Apple killed the Performa brand and rebadged it as a Power Mac.
I have the same or similar experience with a 72gb savvio and terminated adapter, although it's inside of a B&W G3 450. I'm using a PCI SCSI adapter which the brand name is lost on me at the moment, but neither OS 8.6 or 9.2.2 are able to mount the drive. (or Panther for that matter).
What happens for mine, is that the system boots just fine, but does not mount the drive. When I open up the included SCSI probe utility, system freezes with the spinning cursor. I can ctrl+apple+esc to close the program, and go back to whatever I was doing, but that happens with, startup disk chooser, Disk Utility, etc. Anything that polls the bus will freeze.
What happens for mine, is that the system boots just fine, but does not mount the drive. When I open up the included SCSI probe utility, system freezes with the spinning cursor. I can ctrl+apple+esc to close the program, and go back to whatever I was doing, but that happens with, startup disk chooser, Disk Utility, etc. Anything that polls the bus will freeze.
Interesting, I never tried using them on the internal bus of my G3, I was doing file transfers from an ATA card to an UltraSCSI card to recover/back up over size partitions the G3 chewed up.
IIRC, Apple was rolling the SCSI controller into the I/O ASICs at the time. If we hit the DevNotes, we can probably trace the beginning of these problems to development of a specific ASIC. Apple "fixed" the problem by dropping SCSI from the B&W G3.
In that time frame, nobody was running expensive server drives off onboard SCSI. It would have been a huge waste of money.
@ markyB86: PowerMac was there from the beginning for main line offerings, but I can't think of a Performa that transitioned to PowerMac offhand, the other way around was the norm. The history of the Performa would be an interesting article to find somewhere or compile, especially the tweaking of numbered bundles for different retailers.
Performa was their name for retail channel computer/software bundles dating from the 680X0 LC-Quadra era and into the PowerPC era. I don't know just how many different numbers/names Apple screened onto the bezels of the 62xx and 52XX Road Apple PPCs, but there were a lot and were based on only the software bundles for different retailers.
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IIRC, Apple was rolling the SCSI controller into the I/O ASICs at the time. If we hit the DevNotes, we can probably trace the beginning of these problems to development of a specific ASIC. Apple "fixed" the problem by dropping SCSI from the B&W G3.
In that time frame, nobody was running expensive server drives off onboard SCSI. It would have been a huge waste of money.
@ markyB86: PowerMac was there from the beginning for main line offerings, but I can't think of a Performa that transitioned to PowerMac offhand, the other way around was the norm. The history of the Performa would be an interesting article to find somewhere or compile, especially the tweaking of numbered bundles for different retailers.
Performa was their name for retail channel computer/software bundles dating from the 680X0 LC-Quadra era and into the PowerPC era. I don't know just how many different numbers/names Apple screened onto the bezels of the 62xx and 52XX Road Apple PPCs, but there were a lot and were based on only the software bundles for different retailers.
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The difference appears to be one silly MegaHertz, a bus multiplier bump to match the 25% bump from 40MHz to 50MHz system board?
6500:
The O’Hare IC is connected to the
PCI bus and uses the 33 MHz PCI bus clock.
The O’Hare IC includes circuitry equivalent to the IDE, SCC, SCSI, sound, SWIM3 . . .
6400:
O’Hare IC is connected to the PCI bus and uses the 32 MHz PCI bus clock.
Beige G3s use the Heathrow ASIC for SCSI.
Dunno, it's a mystery. :
6500:
The O’Hare IC is connected to the
PCI bus and uses the 33 MHz PCI bus clock.
The O’Hare IC includes circuitry equivalent to the IDE, SCC, SCSI, sound, SWIM3 . . .
6400:
O’Hare IC is connected to the PCI bus and uses the 32 MHz PCI bus clock.
Beige G3s use the Heathrow ASIC for SCSI.
Dunno, it's a mystery. :
I have a SCSI lvd card in a powermac G4 I think it boots and runs fine. I'll try and dig it out and get specifics.