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Complete Collection of Every Compact Mac?
Is there anyone on this forum or knows someone who has every model of compact mac? If not, is this possible? How much all of these would cost?
Sorry for all the questions. Just wondering!
Sorry for all the questions. Just wondering!
It's certainly possible. I have every single one except for a CCII. The only one I paid real money for was the first Plus I owned, which I bought new in 1988 for the then-bargain price of $999US, thanks to a school discount. If I were really determined to have a complete set, I'd have to shell out some serious $$$ for a CCII. They're rare, and most are owned by Japanese who cherish them, and would only part with them reluctantly.
if you don't count the cc's then it wouldn't be difficult or expensive at all.
All the iMacs count as compacts, do they?
They don't.
I believe Stuart Bell (the Power Colour Classic guy from Applefritter) was trying to collect them all... not sure if he ever managed it though.
I think the widely regarded criteria for a Compact Mac fits somehow like this:
- 68k Processor
- AIO
- 9 or 10 Inch Screen
As such, it can also be called a Desktop Appliance. Others are just computers, and are built as such. I don't have any arguments against the iMac, or the criteria, all I can say is that's how it is in the Mac community.
- 68k Processor
- AIO
- 9 or 10 Inch Screen
As such, it can also be called a Desktop Appliance. Others are just computers, and are built as such. I don't have any arguments against the iMac, or the criteria, all I can say is that's how it is in the Mac community.
I have all the classics and 2 of the SEs, and a Plus, so I'm close.
You have a Colour Classic II??? Actually, if you are prepared to count a colour classic upgraded to a CCII rather than badged as one, the full set would not be too hard to acquire.
I have a Plus, Classic, SE/30 and Colour Classic, so I will need to get my hands on a 128K, 512K and an SE if I want the full collection.
Make that a 128k, 512k, 512ke, Macintosh ED, Classic II, SE, SE FDHD, SE SuperDrive (I think there was one that says this on the case, even though the FDHD also has a SuperDrive), and Colour Classic II
And a beige/platinum Plus (depending which one you've already got) if you really want everything. There's more than you might think...Oh dear, i forgot about the variations and completely disregarded the Classic II. I stand corrected, I have a long way to go! 
I have a beige Plus at the moment, but did have a Platinum one at one point. Sold that one on eBay though and got £35 for it!
I have a beige Plus at the moment, but did have a Platinum one at one point. Sold that one on eBay though and got £35 for it!
8-o 8-O 8-o For a Plus?! Woah, I'll have to think about putting mine up for sale! Was it a really good example or something, to get a price like that? They hardly go for anything normally, as far as I've seen. Was that a buy-it-now or a bid? I've found that you tend to get better prices for things (not Mac stuff though as I haven't sold any of that - I don't know whether this holds true for everything) by putting on high buy-it-nows as people for some reason go for them rather than bidding on another one and getting it for much less.
It was by bids, but I offered it with an external 20MB hard drive, keyboard, mouse - the full works. I even included 4 1MB SIMMS so that the stock RAM could be upgraded to the full 4MB. It also had a clean-installed of System 6, Clarisworks and some games. The guy who bought it was local to me as well, so he came and picked it up directly.
if they havent gutted them and ypgraded them to oblivion
very impresive and all but also very sad to see th orginal computer getting trashed like that even if it was a bastard
might be harder then you think to get 128k and 512 k macs because 128k was so little most have been converterted to 512k or 1 mb as soon as it was possible so they were usable
It also has logic on its side. If the definition of compact AIOs is completed:
- 9 or 10 Inch CRT Screen
- easily luggable
PowerBooks (of all kinds) and LCs with monitors are AIOs, but they are not compact AIOs because their non-CRT displays have to fold open to be used, or they are just plain too big to be compact. Minis and Pizza Boxes are compact, but not AIOs. Towers are not compact and not AIOs. CRT iMacs, FP iMacs, and G4 to Intel iMacs are AIOs but not compact.
The subject was well picked over in the old Forums, and no-one advanced a cogent reason why any but the Classic AIOs should be regarded as compact AIOs. They were the only desktops for which it made any sense to make, sell or buy carry-bags.
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They were marketed as "Desktop Appliances" by Apple, classed in the same group as the standard Telephone.
I actually forgot the PowerBook's existed there for a moment, else I would have said CRT screen.
I actually forgot the PowerBook's existed there for a moment, else I would have said CRT screen.
If we get into minutiæ, Classic IIs with and without sound-holes on the left side over the internal speaker ... ? And how about 'official' upgrades, from 128K to 'Fat Mac' or Plus, 512K and 512Ke to Plus, SE to SE FDHD, Classic to Classic II, &c., &c. At the original prices of the compact AIOs, board-swap upgrade kits (often with a bucket-swap too) made good sense.... Make that a 128k, 512k, 512ke, Macintosh ED, Classic II, SE, SE FDHD, SE SuperDrive (I think there was one that says this on the case, even though the FDHD also has a SuperDrive), and Colour Classic II
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No not the color classics, i dont count those as compact macs.
Nonetheless, they fit the criteria (all of them), and they are compact AIOs of the Classic AIO line, their LC heritage notwithstanding.
You are, sir, dangerously close to being guilty of feets discrimination.
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You are, sir, dangerously close to being guilty of feets discrimination.
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I tend to define a Compact just by what they look like, as they all look recognisably the same, whereas the other AIOs (and the Colour Classics to some extent) look completely different. Shown two traditional compacts, anyone would recognise that they are closely related, but shown one compact and one Colour Classic, or one compact and an iMac, you probably wouldn't see them as being from the same line. Even if you want to go for a criteria-based approach to defining a compact, as opposed to just grouping ones that are clearly from the same family, would one criteria not be the 9" B&W screen?
I would tend to agree as I don't really consider the Colour Classic as a compact as it has a different form factor from the earlier compacts. Since the Plus, SE, Classic and the rest follow roughly the same form factor (despite having variations in case design), it is fair to group them together as being THE compacts.
Some japanese company bought my 128k for $250USD. It was just the system. No keyboard, mouse, or OS. I wasn't even sure the floppy worked. I know the screen was shrunken, but that was it. The battery at the back was missing.
Then again, it was the first batch of 128Ks, since it didn't even have the "128k" label on it. It was just "Macintosh"
Haha, I guess Apple didn't plan on having any more macintosh's. Look how far we came. From Macintosh, to PowerMacintosh, to PowerMac, To Mac (pro/book/macbook pro/iMac)
Then again, it was the first batch of 128Ks, since it didn't even have the "128k" label on it. It was just "Macintosh"
Haha, I guess Apple didn't plan on having any more macintosh's. Look how far we came. From Macintosh, to PowerMacintosh, to PowerMac, To Mac (pro/book/macbook pro/iMac)
From what I recall, Stuart has all of the mainstream compacts, including the CCII and labels that correctly spell "Colour" not "Color". However, it gets more complicated with the Mac ED (a 512 or Plus variant offered outside the US to education buyers). Depending on the taste of moon dust at the time, Apple offered different spec Mac EDs in different countries at different times. The SE family are another problem. Lots of models, different models in different countries, different labels on the back case bucket.
I'd see a complete collection as one that had one of each name on the case though - getting one of every specification would be overkill, I reckon
ie one Classic II, regardless of speaker holes, one ED etc. Even that is 11 compact Macs though (12 if you want both beige and platinum Pluses, not including CCs), which is too many for most of us to be able to have (where would you put them all?!), and it would be very difficult to get them all anyway.Given the spec offered £35 was a sensible price for both seller and buyer. Cheaper Mac Pluses come without the keyboard and/or mouse, and certainly without an external SCSI drive. MacMan offered a complete Mac Plus solution, close to the buyer, with the opportunity to test before handing over money. Sounds good to me.
Last night, I drove across town to pick up a pair of hifi speakers. For £15 on eBay. I own a similar pair of speakers, but I blew the tweeter in one in a late night musical indulgence (my neighbour's son is learning the piano so we are pretty mellow about compaining about noise). The geezer who sold me the speakers asked, "I suppose I should show that they work". And I replied, looking across the room of well packed removal boxes, "How soon are you moving?".
The speakers worked perfectly, of course. Crooks don't sell goods from their homes. I trusted the sale because I met the seller face to face on his ground.
If Apple defines these as the Compact AIOs, it really isn't very important what anyone else thinks is a compact AIO. Wiki also offers a listing of all Macs by case type.
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Here is a tricky question...
To complete this collection. Where would you find a disk image of the 1984 investor meeting demo disk as seen here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJ12vNZ5yMY ?
Or am I dreaming of a white Christmas?
To complete this collection. Where would you find a disk image of the 1984 investor meeting demo disk as seen here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJ12vNZ5yMY ?
Or am I dreaming of a white Christmas?
Yup, got am all but soon will have to make some hard choices as intend to move to Japan and dragging them all there would be to much hassle.
http://www.vanschip.com/compact_mac_gallery/
http://www.vanschip.com/compact_mac_gallery/gerard_van_schip/index.html
In all those boxes I keep the various cables.
http://www.vanschip.com/compact_mac_gallery/
http://www.vanschip.com/compact_mac_gallery/gerard_van_schip/index.html
In all those boxes I keep the various cables.
Are you going to Japan permanently then? If you do get rid of any, make sure you give/sell them to someone, as we'd never forgive you if you threw any away!
I would come up and get some of them, but alas I don't have space for any...I've lived here in Japan almost 13 years now. I can tell you quite frankly that I have built my classic Mac collection while living here! The popularity of old Macs in the eyes of the Japanese far transcends that anywhere else in the world, even the US.
I strongly suggest you retain your collection and just ocean-freight it via USPS to your new address. That is the cheapest means of getting them to you. And if you later decided to sell them, you can put them up on Japanese web auction sites and fetch more than double the prices you see on EBAY (depending on the condition of your machines). I do NOT make this suggestion in order to encourage excessive profit-taking though. I only mention the side benefit of selling here to give you a good reason to bring your Macs with you. I always hate to see old Macs cast aside for any reason, even "moving overseas."[/img]
Yeah, I guess thats my goal, get a comlete collection some day. Iam currently seacrhing for a Plus.
cant be too hard its been in production for 6 years
just make sure that the keyboard is in working condition
its extremley hard to find a replacement
4 years.
Anyone who has a compact mac they could sell me would be greatly apperciated!
i've got one but i don't think you want to pay the shipping costs to send it to the states [
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WOW!!! is that really a transparent plus? to cool!
That is!
Not a single person has mentioned the SE/30 yet. IMHO it's the ultimate compact Mac.
You are right!
I need to get of these too!
I need to get of these too!
I am only missing a couple - CCII and the ED version I believe.
I also have the Performa 200 which is the same as a Classic II.
Here are some of my compacts
I need a bigger room....
I also have the Performa 200 which is the same as a Classic II.
Here are some of my compacts
I need a bigger room....
I believe the 10" spec for the Colour Classic is just marketing - it's the same size tube as the other compacts right?
A quick check with my trusty tapemeasure says yes they are the same size, measured diagonally. I wonder if the color tube is actually considered a 10" tube by Sony or maybe there's more of it hiding behine the cabinet opening?
Wow stevep!
That is so cool!
Thats what I'm gonna do!
That is so cool!
Thats what I'm gonna do!
Me too.
I don't have any of the development machines (ie transparent etc), but I do have a Platinum 512KE (ie prior to the colour change over during the Mac Plus era).
http://macdownunder.no-ip.info
Regards,
Macdownunder
its just the same as the other compacts only in color
Yeah, I think so
There was no "Platinum" color prior to the Mac Plus. In fact, the very first Plus machines were beige too. It was only later in the life of the Plus that Platinum became popular at Apple. So I assume you mean "beige 512KE."
No - I thought as you did, until I picked up this platinum 512KE. I thought it was a re-spray job, but the platinum badges would have been very difficult produce out of the factory.
I'll see if I can dig it out and get some better photos later this week.
Kind regards,
Macdownunder
I would definitely be interested in those photos. For you see, I've owned and used Macs extensively since 1984 and I've never seen a geniune "from-Apple" Mac in Platinum prior to 1987.
The Plus came on the scene in January 1986, in beige. The 512kE was discontinued in August that same year, having about as short a life as the notorious Mac IIvx (a box I myself once owned). Here is a LEM article with even more facts on this for you. And here is another LEM article pointing out the fact that Platinum came to the plus in 1987, well after the 512k-series had been discontinued. Therefore, unless you have an extremely rare prototype 512kE, I cannot see how it would be platinum, unless it somehow discolored itself over time in such an odd manner (something I've never seen before).
So again, I look forward to seeing those properly white-balanced photos of your machine! 8-o
The Plus came on the scene in January 1986, in beige. The 512kE was discontinued in August that same year, having about as short a life as the notorious Mac IIvx (a box I myself once owned). Here is a LEM article with even more facts on this for you. And here is another LEM article pointing out the fact that Platinum came to the plus in 1987, well after the 512k-series had been discontinued. Therefore, unless you have an extremely rare prototype 512kE, I cannot see how it would be platinum, unless it somehow discolored itself over time in such an odd manner (something I've never seen before).
So again, I look forward to seeing those properly white-balanced photos of your machine! 8-o
i know so i can compare
You are a little unkind to the 512Ke, which, according to EveryMac and Apple, was available from 14 Apr. '86 until 1 Sep. '87, ie it was released three months after the Plus, although it lived for about 16mo. compared with the Plus's 57mo. The run of the 512K ended on the day that the 512Ke was released.
I just asked my 512Ke, and it replied that it felt neither notorious nor shortlived. It proudly showed me its serial F6207FFM0001ED, which indicates manufacture in Cupertino, in mid to late May '86. It is undeniably beige. The date of manufacture is supported by the Apple/University (of Western Australia) Consortium labels, which are dated in June and August of the same year. No longer just a 'low-end Plus', and especially with 2MB of RAM and an HD20, this 512Ke skips along on System 6.0.8.
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Edit: added Apple techSpec link.
I have never seen a 512ke that had badges. The earliest compact to identify itself on the front panel was the Plus. The earlier machines only had an apple logo in the lower left.
Correct - on the Mac 128 and 512 the badges are on the back.
Looks like I need to get the camera out tonight.....
Regards,
Macdownunder
Equill, clearly, the thrust of my post was about the color of the 512ke being "beige" -- a point you agree on. Also, if you read my post you will find that I used the adjective "notorious" in front of the IIvx (which didn't originate with me, mind you). I only likened the lifespan of the 512kE (not the 512) to the IIvx to indicate how short it was relative to other shortlived models. And if the LEM article dates are bogus, they should be asked to edit their articles. But regardless of the exact dates, it is unquestionable that the Plus had a longer "sales life" than the 512kE and continued to be sold (and improveed) after the 512kE was discontinued.
I personally have great respect for the 512k (original 64k ROMs) because it is everything the 128k should have been from the start. The first Mac suffered from the lack of RAM, something the 512k addressed. The Enhanced version of the 512 wasn't a bad machine, but some early software apps were incompatible with the new ROMs (I know this from experience because I have a 512 and both the 64k ROMs and the 128k ROMs). True, the 512kE had better 800k floppy drives than the 128/512 did; but in retrospect, you can see that the 512kE is basically a Plus with half the RAM. The 128/512 are a different breed than the Plus, so I myself cannot directly compare them. Hence, as a collector today, I would snap up the 128 or a 512, but I would choose a Plus over a 512kE any day. (While the SE and SE/30 are better than the Plus, they are a different breed of machines that are not directly comparable to the Plus, in my opinion.) The Plus also has a slightly more modern analog board than the 512kE. You can view my analog board photos here:
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I personally have great respect for the 512k (original 64k ROMs) because it is everything the 128k should have been from the start. The first Mac suffered from the lack of RAM, something the 512k addressed. The Enhanced version of the 512 wasn't a bad machine, but some early software apps were incompatible with the new ROMs (I know this from experience because I have a 512 and both the 64k ROMs and the 128k ROMs). True, the 512kE had better 800k floppy drives than the 128/512 did; but in retrospect, you can see that the 512kE is basically a Plus with half the RAM. The 128/512 are a different breed than the Plus, so I myself cannot directly compare them. Hence, as a collector today, I would snap up the 128 or a 512, but I would choose a Plus over a 512kE any day. (While the SE and SE/30 are better than the Plus, they are a different breed of machines that are not directly comparable to the Plus, in my opinion.) The Plus also has a slightly more modern analog board than the 512kE. You can view my analog board photos here:
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It was but the gentlest of nudges, to emphasize that the 512Ke was alive for 16, not 4 months, and that its place (if not Apple's intention) was to be a 'low-end Plus'. As such it had several affinities with the Plus during its much shorter life, but the 512Ke was never privileged to wear the platinum.
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I certainly appreciate the information, Equill. And I still feel that LEM should be informed of this inaccuracy on their website. The way it stands now, it's nothing more that a blatant lie serving to misinform the masses about Macintosh history. I would write LEM myself if I knew your information source. So perhaps you might consider doing so?
I have a 512Ke that is clearly platinum. Can't check the serial number from work but if I remember when I get home, I will do so. It is badged on the back as a "Macintosh 512K", and (from memory) has model number M0001E. The badge on the front is also different - not inside a larger square like the 128K and 512K's are. I have also seen a picture of a 512Ke that has "Macintosh ED" printed on the front, but I have never seen one "in the plastic" so to speak. 
In my opinion, the primary deficiency of the 512Ke is the lack of SCSI.
Ken
In my opinion, the primary deficiency of the 512Ke is the lack of SCSI.
Ken
Now that you have re-posted that info. I recall your doing so before. Curiouser and curiouser. Charlieman's post back in this thread probably has a large bearing. That buckets were swapped during upgrades is apparent from the Service Source manuals provided to AASPs. Mix'n'match a variety of buckets, bezels and boards and you have the wherewithal to confuse archæologists in centuries to come, let alone those of the present MLAs.
For the 128K/512K/Plus, upgrades were provided to take account of larger FDDs, ROMs for larger FDDs and the new HDDs, RAM expansion, miniDIN-8 serial and SCSI ports. Add Charlieman's locality-customizations, ED versions (whatever they may embrace other than two letters), and the result is a salad of parts in season. The 512Ke gets only passing mention. Both beige and platinum bezels, buckets and keyboards are listed, each with its own number, but only one (platinum) for feets. Now that is feets discrimination.
Apple's TechSpec documents are useful to fix trim at release, but they do not seem to have been updated during the life of each of the models. Anecdotal evidence there often is, but not official, and it doesn't help when misread figures, dates or events are reported in the press.
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For the 128K/512K/Plus, upgrades were provided to take account of larger FDDs, ROMs for larger FDDs and the new HDDs, RAM expansion, miniDIN-8 serial and SCSI ports. Add Charlieman's locality-customizations, ED versions (whatever they may embrace other than two letters), and the result is a salad of parts in season. The 512Ke gets only passing mention. Both beige and platinum bezels, buckets and keyboards are listed, each with its own number, but only one (platinum) for feets. Now that is feets discrimination.
Apple's TechSpec documents are useful to fix trim at release, but they do not seem to have been updated during the life of each of the models. Anecdotal evidence there often is, but not official, and it doesn't help when misread figures, dates or events are reported in the press.
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Well, according to the early mac serial number decoder, my 512Ke with serial number F737453M0001ED, was the 4797th manufactured during the 37th week of 1987 in Fremont, CA. Now, 37th week? After quick calculation I make that about halfway through September, so right at the very end of the line. I guess that could explain the evolution of the colour and badge towards more Plus-like characteristics...
So who do we contact at LEM to ask for a correction of the dates in the two articles I've linked above?
I look forward to seeing these "platinum" 512ke photos. Please put the camera on a tripod in a well lit room, and shoot without a strobe (or go outside). Please white-balance on a sheet of white paper. If the photos aren't white balanced, it will be difficult or impossible to see the true color. Of course, if you can sit a beige machine side by side with the platinum machine, that would help too.
I look forward to seeing these "platinum" 512ke photos. Please put the camera on a tripod in a well lit room, and shoot without a strobe (or go outside). Please white-balance on a sheet of white paper. If the photos aren't white balanced, it will be difficult or impossible to see the true color. Of course, if you can sit a beige machine side by side with the platinum machine, that would help too.
Sorry - didn't have a few spare hours to do all that, just put the kids to bed and I need some sleep. But I've put the somewhat shakey photos I just snapped up for the time being.
http://macdownunder.no-ip.info/Platinum512ke
What I hadn't noticed before was that it is an ED model (and I thought I didn't have one!). As Kallikak has described, the Apple Logo on the front is not on a square inset, but more like the Mac Plus (minus the sign writing). The ED model number is on the rear. I have also taken a pic of the serial number which includes an ED suffix also.
If I get a chance over the weekend I might be able to take some better photos - but for the moment I have a busy job and two kids under 5 that take most of my time.
Kind regards,
Macdownunder.
Have you tried a google image search for "Macintosh ED"? This page, for example certainly shows "Macintosh ED" on the front, and the machine looks pretty platinum to me - http://www.apple-classic.de/page2/page2.html
Macdownunder, thank you for taking time to post the photos. And with two youngsters under the age of 5 myself, I know what you mean!
What you have is (to my eyes, based on your photos, anyway) a beige Mac 512k "European Directive" certified machine. There is nothing special about it insofar as it looks and works just like any other beige 512. It simply complied with the laws in various European countries, just like FCC in the USA. (The analog board may be of the "international 220v type, but again, this doesn't affect appearance or functionality of the machine.)
Knubbel Mac claims the ED machines were sold to the "educational" market. Whether that was true for all ED machines, I don't know. But the fact remains that the ED machines were made for sales in Europe.
After having look at the Macintosh ED photo on the page Kallikak mentions, it looks quite Platinum. However, white balance could be at work here. If not that, then we could "assume" the European version of the 512 got the Platinum look -- but I am leary to make such an assumption based on one tiny photo. Nevertheless, it would be hard to screw up the white balance on a beige machine to make it look platinum, so perhaps there is some merit to the theory. Also, aside from bad lighting in Macdownunder's photos, I believe that yellowing of the case could also mask the true color of the machine. But if you flip the machine over and look at the bottom, you can see what the true color was (most case-bottoms don't yellow much at all).
What you have is (to my eyes, based on your photos, anyway) a beige Mac 512k "European Directive" certified machine. There is nothing special about it insofar as it looks and works just like any other beige 512. It simply complied with the laws in various European countries, just like FCC in the USA. (The analog board may be of the "international 220v type, but again, this doesn't affect appearance or functionality of the machine.)
Knubbel Mac claims the ED machines were sold to the "educational" market. Whether that was true for all ED machines, I don't know. But the fact remains that the ED machines were made for sales in Europe.
After having look at the Macintosh ED photo on the page Kallikak mentions, it looks quite Platinum. However, white balance could be at work here. If not that, then we could "assume" the European version of the 512 got the Platinum look -- but I am leary to make such an assumption based on one tiny photo. Nevertheless, it would be hard to screw up the white balance on a beige machine to make it look platinum, so perhaps there is some merit to the theory. Also, aside from bad lighting in Macdownunder's photos, I believe that yellowing of the case could also mask the true color of the machine. But if you flip the machine over and look at the bottom, you can see what the true color was (most case-bottoms don't yellow much at all).
I found a Mac fan page that states that the 512K ED was platinum instead of beige. Your model number with the ED at the end suggests to me that is what this is. It is possible that some models did not have the Macintosh ED markings on the front or that someone cleverly removed the markings.
Here is a photo I found of an ED
http://www.homecomputer.de/images/machines/Apple_Macintosh_512k_ED_Large.jpg
It is clearly platinum. It does say Macintosh ED on the front, but I wouldn't imagine it would be too hard to remove without causing damage.
Here is a photo I found of an ED
http://www.homecomputer.de/images/machines/Apple_Macintosh_512k_ED_Large.jpg
It is clearly platinum. It does say Macintosh ED on the front, but I wouldn't imagine it would be too hard to remove without causing damage.
Given the statements about the Apple logo on the bezel, and the date of release of the first platinum Pluses, perhaps it can now be hypothesized thus:
512Ke: Released in Apr. '86, in beige, with Apple logo in relief on an incuse rectangle, and with serial numbers beginning F6. From Jan. '87, provided with platinum Plus bezel, with flush-set logo, but with no legend beside the logo, and with serial numbers beginning F7. Withdrawn in Sep. '87.
Plus: Released in Jan. '86, in beige(, with Apple logo in relief on an incuse rectangle, and with serial numbers beginning F6). From Jan. '87, provided with platinum Plus bezel, with flush-set logo, with Macintosh Plus (or ED) legend beside the logo(, and with serial numbers beginning F7 to F0). Withdrawn in Oct. '90.
Parenthetical portions are conjectural, since I have no Pluses of my own to check. The use of platinum buckets with the appropriate cutouts for SCSI and miniDIN-8, or DB-9, should follow the pattern above.
My four youngsters range from 46 to 39, and are no trouble at all ... But I remember when.
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512Ke: Released in Apr. '86, in beige, with Apple logo in relief on an incuse rectangle, and with serial numbers beginning F6. From Jan. '87, provided with platinum Plus bezel, with flush-set logo, but with no legend beside the logo, and with serial numbers beginning F7. Withdrawn in Sep. '87.
Plus: Released in Jan. '86, in beige(, with Apple logo in relief on an incuse rectangle, and with serial numbers beginning F6). From Jan. '87, provided with platinum Plus bezel, with flush-set logo, with Macintosh Plus (or ED) legend beside the logo(, and with serial numbers beginning F7 to F0). Withdrawn in Oct. '90.
Parenthetical portions are conjectural, since I have no Pluses of my own to check. The use of platinum buckets with the appropriate cutouts for SCSI and miniDIN-8, or DB-9, should follow the pattern above.
My four youngsters range from 46 to 39, and are no trouble at all ... But I remember when.
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I just checked yahoo auction for compact Mac's and even thought they have insane high starting bids not a single soul is bidding.
FYI in case this helps the discussion....
My 512Ke (M0001E) was made 45th week of 1986 and is beige.
My 512Ke (M0001E) was made 45th week of 1986 and is beige.
Well my kids are 4 and 6, and they love using my macs - from the Plus to the iMac. This means I can set them up on a machine each while I work on my other machines, and my wife still counts it as child minding!
Here's an old picture I have showing my Platinum Plus, Platinum 512Ke, Beige HD20 and Beige mouse. The 512Ke is more platinum than the Plus! The ports at the rear as for any other 128K/512K mac. http://school.anhb.uwa.edu.au/personalpages/kwessen/mac/PlusAnd512Ke.jpg
Ken
Here's an old picture I have showing my Platinum Plus, Platinum 512Ke, Beige HD20 and Beige mouse. The 512Ke is more platinum than the Plus!
The ports at the rear as for any other 128K/512K mac. http://school.anhb.uwa.edu.au/personalpages/kwessen/mac/PlusAnd512Ke.jpgKen
On both of the 128k/512k/Plus mice that I have, the button is greyish, whereas yours looks to be the same colour as the rest of the mouse - were there two revisions of this mouse? I've never seen one like yours before.
Yup. Yours is likely a platinum mouse or has a button from a platinum mouse. His is beige. I have only two Plus mice and both are beige because I didn't have my platinum Plus yet at the time I bought them. The keyboards on the beige and platinum are different colors, too.
I think you'll find Kallikak's pictured mouse is the model made for the Apple //c and not strictly for the Macintosh (although they will fit and work of course).
Regards,
Macdownunder
Not exactly, it's longer for starters, hence the deeper case on the CC
All compacts have a 9" screen but the colour classic has a 10", trust me on this one, I took the guts out of a Colour classic in the hopes I could stick it in a SE case. The screen does not fit in the bezel.
OK - time to go to the source. Here's a note from Apple's Colour Classic Hardware Reference ( http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Hardware/Developer_Notes/Macintosh_CPUs-68K_Desktop/Mac_Color_Classic.pdf ).
Ken
So the 10" diagonal measurement must be the unmounted CRT itself then? I measured the diagonal on a Classic II and a Color Classic and they were almost the same - close to 9". Not that it REALLY matters
OK - found some time today. I have replaced the photos on my website:
http://macdownunder.no-ip.info/Platinum512ke/
These were taken outside in daylight on a white background - as requested. The following machines are in the line up (both back and front shots):
1). Beige Mac512ke
2). Platinum Mac512ke
3). Beige MacPlus
4). Platinum MacPlus
Hopefully this, along with Kallikak's photos, will settle the discussion on whether a 512 was manufactured in platinum.
Regards,
Macdownunder.
macdownunder, excellent photos with an amazing amount of detail -- enough to show a dead spider inside the handle of your platinum 512!
Well, unless someone can produce a photo of a US version 512 in platinum, I think we can safely say this gives quite solid evidence that (a) there was indeed a platinum 512k built, and ( B) that version was made especially for sale in Europe.
Thanks again for your time in shooting those photos. And watch out for any further spiders that might still be alive and biting! 8-o
Well, unless someone can produce a photo of a US version 512 in platinum, I think we can safely say this gives quite solid evidence that (a) there was indeed a platinum 512k built, and ( B) that version was made especially for sale in Europe.
Thanks again for your time in shooting those photos. And watch out for any further spiders that might still be alive and biting! 8-o
I always assumed that the old (beige) Plus was the one that had the 128/512-style front ie the logo in a square and no writing, and the Platinum the newer one that had the text? Did they also make some that had the text but the old colour then? I had assumed mine was just a little yellow, but actually it looks hard to tell the difference between a yellowed Platinum Plus and a Beige Plus.
Although maybe mine is more like the one you have one the far right in your picture, I think it's probably not as yellow as the Beige one. Presumably the one second-from-left is that machine's original colour, as that looks roughly the same colour as my G3, which is unyellowed. That Platinum 512ke is amazing, it looks brand new!
I was on Apples support page and found this It sure looks like a platinum 128/512, because that is clearly not a Plus Keyboard.
The colors have to be way off in that picture. Anything in platinum came with an extended keyboard. I don't think the old style keyboards even exist in platinum.
Your excellent pics vindicate my suggestion above, based on release and lifetime dates. They also support EveryMac's assertion that the 512Ke's prolongation of life after the release of the Plus was as a low-end version of the Plus. It makes sense, in that what could the Plus be more than if there was no low-end model? So it is also no surprise that its codename was Mac Minus.
Do you know whether your 512Kes were ever associated with the Apple/University Consortium program? My beige 512Ke has the model designation M0001ED, as yours do. The same LowEndMac piece above decodes the 'E' in 'ED' as 'extended' (the 'e' in 512Ke), and the 'D' as 'education'.
de
It's quite possible. The source I got them from did receive a lot of equipment from Melbourne University which had a Mac Consortium. Unfortunately, I'm not in a position to be able to confirm it absolutely.
Kind regards,
Macdownunder
FWIW, I have a beige Plus with the text on the front, as well.
Macdownunder ... I can't remember if you posted the serial numbers for these Macs and your site is down. If you did not, would you please post the serial numbers at your convenience so they can be dated? In particular the Platinum 512Ke Thanks ...
I'd like to add to the confusion here with some of what i've picked up over the years of collecting the compacts... Hopefully I can convey this in a way that makes sense without pictures...
The Mac Plus with the 512k style front was (as far as i can find out) an upgraded Mac 512k.
Apple released an upgrade kit consisting of a Mac Plus logic board and a BEIGE Mac Plus 1MB rear 'bucket' - which replaced the old 512k parts to make a - Beige Mac Plus 1MB but with keeping the original old style beige 512k front bezel.
Also, an easy way to differentiate between a Beige Mac and a yellowed Platinum Mac is look at the rear power switch. The Beige style power switch is two tone (dark rocker switch with lighter outer surround). The Platinum's switch is one colour. Also, the keyboard connector 'hole' at the front can give away the difference. Beige Mac's have the connector set back in a rectangle, Platinum Mac's connector is not set back.
Lastly, there are 29 variations or different models of the compact range that i hope to accumulate, 25 if you aren't counting Colour display models... I can post up my list if anyones interested? I am seven short of what i consider a 'full collection.'
The Mac Plus with the 512k style front was (as far as i can find out) an upgraded Mac 512k.
Apple released an upgrade kit consisting of a Mac Plus logic board and a BEIGE Mac Plus 1MB rear 'bucket' - which replaced the old 512k parts to make a - Beige Mac Plus 1MB but with keeping the original old style beige 512k front bezel.
Also, an easy way to differentiate between a Beige Mac and a yellowed Platinum Mac is look at the rear power switch. The Beige style power switch is two tone (dark rocker switch with lighter outer surround). The Platinum's switch is one colour. Also, the keyboard connector 'hole' at the front can give away the difference. Beige Mac's have the connector set back in a rectangle, Platinum Mac's connector is not set back.
Lastly, there are 29 variations or different models of the compact range that i hope to accumulate, 25 if you aren't counting Colour display models... I can post up my list if anyones interested? I am seven short of what i consider a 'full collection.'
OK, I'll bite then: please post your list, I'd love to know what you consider the 29 variants of the Compact Mac (including the colour models).
Well thats what I have it was either a 128K or 512K but one of the previous owners got the official upgrade kit to a Mac Plus
But the real question is what category does this fit into? Is t a Mac Plus or is it a 512K? You could look at it as a modded 512K or you could look at it as having the parts that made it a 512K removed. Either way it has a bad solder joint on the analogue board(most likely) and the monitor only comes on if pressure is applied to the side of the case :-/ but thats a topic for another post some other time :lol:
In addition to the logic board and the bucket i also believe it came with a new keyboard, however the rocker is part of the analogue board my rocker switch is a lighter color than the rest of the computer and is one color. Everything else you said is absolutely true about that kit.
ok, lets count;
1. Macintosh
2. Macintosh 128k
3. Macintosh 512k
4. Macintosh 512ke
5. Macintosh 512ke (Platinum)
6. Macintosh ED
7. Macintosh Plus
8. Macintosh Plus (Platinum)
9. Macintosh SE 1/20
10. Macintosh SE 800/800
11. Macintosh SE FDHD
12. Macintosh SE/30
13. Macintosh Classic
14. Macintosh Classic II
15. Macintosh Colour Classic
16. Macintosh Colour Classic II
17. Macintosh Performa 200
18. Macintosh Performa 250
19. Macintosh Performa 275
... ??
1. Macintosh
2. Macintosh 128k
3. Macintosh 512k
4. Macintosh 512ke
5. Macintosh 512ke (Platinum)
6. Macintosh ED
7. Macintosh Plus
8. Macintosh Plus (Platinum)
9. Macintosh SE 1/20
10. Macintosh SE 800/800
11. Macintosh SE FDHD
12. Macintosh SE/30
13. Macintosh Classic
14. Macintosh Classic II
15. Macintosh Colour Classic
16. Macintosh Colour Classic II
17. Macintosh Performa 200
18. Macintosh Performa 250
19. Macintosh Performa 275
... ??
Hi all,
The site is back up now (I was interstate for a while). The S/N of the Platinum 512Ke is F7353V7M0001ED
So where does that put it in the time line?
Regards,
Macdownunder
I'd like to see the that comprehensive list of compact Macs though I'm sure it will send me off on another old Mac scavenger hunt. Here's what I have in Macca:
128k
512k
Plus (beige, platinum)
SE (dual floppy, FDHD, SuperDrive, 800k w/HD)
SE/30
Classic
Classic II
Performa 200
Color Classic
Color Classic II
128k
512k
Plus (beige, platinum)
SE (dual floppy, FDHD, SuperDrive, 800k w/HD)
SE/30
Classic
Classic II
Performa 200
Color Classic
Color Classic II
It should be at the beginning of September, 1987.
Cheers
Rick
Goodness, macdownunder, I never knew what a fine collection you had. If only mine were so well organised.
What part of town are you in?
What part of town are you in?
Macintosh Plus ED ??
Macintosh SE 1/40 ??
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Here's the main variations i've compiled as a complete collection. I really think 'complete collection' is open to interpretation though.
For example - there are three Classic II's I would consider... The only variations being small, visual differences. However, they're still effectively the same 'model' so having just one of these in your collection can make it 'complete.'
I've put the models I'm missing in bold incase anyone would like to offer? :lol:
To start with...
( B) - beige
(P) - platinum
(ED) - Educational or European (whatever your opinion may be).
1. Original "Macintosh" ( B)
2. 128k ( B)
3. 512k ( B)
4. 512k (ED), ( B)
5. 512ke ( B)
6. 512ke (ED), (P)
7. Plus 1MB ( B)
8. Plus 1MB (512k with Apple upgrade kit), ( B)
9. Plus 1MB (P)
10. Plus (ED), (P)
11. Plus (P)
12. SE ('86 model)
13. SE ('86) - dual FDD
14. SE ('88 model)
15. SE FDHD
16. SE 'SuperDrive'
17. SE 1/20
18. SE 1/40
19. SE/30
20. Classic
21. Classic (with side speaker holes)
22. Classic (C Serial number) - (ED)??
23. Classic II
24. Classic II (with side speaker holes)
25. Performa 200
26. Colour Classic
27. Performa 250
28. Colour Classic II
29. Performa 275
For example - there are three Classic II's I would consider... The only variations being small, visual differences. However, they're still effectively the same 'model' so having just one of these in your collection can make it 'complete.'
I've put the models I'm missing in bold incase anyone would like to offer? :lol:
To start with...
( B) - beige
(P) - platinum
(ED) - Educational or European (whatever your opinion may be).
1. Original "Macintosh" ( B)
2. 128k ( B)
3. 512k ( B)
4. 512k (ED), ( B)
5. 512ke ( B)
6. 512ke (ED), (P)
7. Plus 1MB ( B)
8. Plus 1MB (512k with Apple upgrade kit), ( B)
9. Plus 1MB (P)
10. Plus (ED), (P)
11. Plus (P)
12. SE ('86 model)
13. SE ('86) - dual FDD
14. SE ('88 model)
15. SE FDHD
16. SE 'SuperDrive'
17. SE 1/20
18. SE 1/40
19. SE/30
20. Classic
21. Classic (with side speaker holes)
22. Classic (C Serial number) - (ED)??
23. Classic II
24. Classic II (with side speaker holes)
25. Performa 200
26. Colour Classic
27. Performa 250
28. Colour Classic II
29. Performa 275
Ah yes ... but it also tells us this:
Manufactured in: F => Fremont, California, USA
Year of production: 1987
Week of production: 35
Production number: 3V7 => 4461
Modell ID: M0001ED => Macintosh 512Ke
Your Macintosh 512Ke was the 4461th Mac manufactured during the 35th week of 1987 in Fremont, California, USA.
SInce the 512Ke is popularly indicated as having been discontinued in September 1987, this is one of the last if so. Further it was manufactured in Freemont, which is interesting in that it means the last of the Domestic 512Ke's were Platinum as well as the European & Pacific ones.
They are all M0001 models, so I think they become their own category.
They keyboard was optional, at least initially. It is certainly possible Apple tried to sweeten the deal to clear out the last of the kits later on.
After the switch to Platinum, Apple quickly discontinued any beige parts. The final replacement analogue board for all M0001s was Platinum only. There's a thread started by JDW about the analogue board comparisons. I would imagine your board was replaced at some point.
Not so much interpretation but degrees. You can't argue that a minor difference despite being the exact same machine is not a different model. Whether a particular collection includes or excludes it depends on the parameters. There's the form factor collection, basically one representative of each model. There's the badge collection, which includes every specific badge differentiation within each form factor and then there's the ultimate collection which addresses the minute details of every esoteric variation. In between the badge and the ultimate collection are various degrees of specificity which define the limits of one's collection.
I basically agree with your list on that basis and as surprised as I am that you were able to come up with 29, I am even more surprised that I'm actually going to add a few. In particular the international variations. Stay tuned ...
*512K/800 M0001D (a 512Ke with the extended Plus keyboard)
*All variants of M0001P, WP & AP (European 240V switchable Power supplies)
*"Colour Classic" as well as "Color Classic" variants.
To be clear, when you say "ED (Educational or European)", do you mean they are interchangeable, or to include the badged 512Kes & Pluses with the words Macintosh ED or Macintosh Plus ED stenciled across the front? If the former then the stenciled varieties need to be added as well as the European variants.
The life of the Plus was 16 Jan 1986 to 15 Oct. 1990, or almost five years.
The life of the 512Ke was 14 Apr 1986 to 1 Sep. 1987. In its shorter life, the 512Ke managed to be Beige Mac Minus to the Beige Mac Plus, and then Platinum Mac Minus alongside the Platinum Mac Plus. Your 512Ke must have come from the dying days of the model's currency (35th week of 1987).
Its serial number includes the information (M0001ED) that it was a member of the first distinct group (M0001) of Mac models, was an 'extended' (E) 512K, or 512Ke, and was made for the education market (D).
de
I have a non working SE FDHD and SE Superdrive, a Plus, and a Classic I.
I believe the list goes like this:
-Macintosh 128k (labeled just Macintosh on the back)
-Macintosh 128k (labeled Macintosh 128k on the back)
-Macintosh 512k
-Macintosh 512ke
-Macintosh ED
-Macintosh Plus
-Macintosh Plus ED
-Macintosh SE
-Macintosh SE FDHD
-Macintosh SE Superdrive
-Macintosh SE 1/20
-Macintosh SE 2/40
-Macintosh SE/30
-Macintosh Classic
-Macintosh Classic II
-Macintosh Color Classic
-Macintosh Color Classic II
I think that's a complete list, unless you count a 128k/512k upgraded to plus as an additional model. That's the one I have, so in essence, it is not a "true" Macintosh Plus.
17 macs to collect, not that bad, but some are rarer than others.
good luck everyone.
-digital
I believe the list goes like this:
-Macintosh 128k (labeled just Macintosh on the back)
-Macintosh 128k (labeled Macintosh 128k on the back)
-Macintosh 512k
-Macintosh 512ke
-Macintosh ED
-Macintosh Plus
-Macintosh Plus ED
-Macintosh SE
-Macintosh SE FDHD
-Macintosh SE Superdrive
-Macintosh SE 1/20
-Macintosh SE 2/40
-Macintosh SE/30
-Macintosh Classic
-Macintosh Classic II
-Macintosh Color Classic
-Macintosh Color Classic II
I think that's a complete list, unless you count a 128k/512k upgraded to plus as an additional model. That's the one I have, so in essence, it is not a "true" Macintosh Plus.
17 macs to collect, not that bad, but some are rarer than others.
good luck everyone.
-digital
Yours would be the badged list – ie the compacts that have unique badging, but not necessarily all of the model permutations, including colour (which in my book is a biggie). That's where the 29+ comes in. However, you left out the Performa's which are also unique badged compacts, so you can't include the "FDHD" & "Superdrive" and leave out the Performa's ... so your list goes up to at least 20 on first glance.
If you're happy with that collection, it will definitely save you some money LOL. Some of us are more obsessed.
FYI, you have to count the 128K to 512K upgrade as well as the 128/512K/e to Plus upgrade since Apple ordered the 128Ks upgraded to 512K after they were discontinued, and the 512K/es upgraded to Pluses and sold that way after the upgrade kit was discontinued. So that adds 3 official models to the list.
Indeed we are
By the way, I'm glad to see we agree on a lot of common points about the 'complete' collection as well as the various levels.
According to Low End Mac, SE 1/20 and SE 2/40 were not official designations. Neither were SE/20, SE 1/40 or SE 4/80.
Anyone got an SE marked as such? Just curious!
Anyone got an SE marked as such? Just curious!
A simple Google Image search will turn up a number of examples. Almost every Mac site out there has incorrect information. Low End Mac is a never ending source of consternation for me as much of the information propagated there is presented as fact when indeed it is mostly speculation and assumption. I'm not knocking Low End Mac, I really appreciate the site, much of the information there is accurate and it is the godfather site of Macintosh preservation. Unfortunately for Dan Knight, there is so much information accumulated there now that it is impossible for him to correct every piece of mis-information.
As for the SE configurations, here are two clearly branded models:
http://www.nielsbretschneider.com/mac/se/
The others did not produce immediate results, but the fact LEM was so wrong about the 1/20 & 1/40 should make you take the info from LEM with a grain of salt. Also, there is an unfortunate tendency among North Americans to assume if it wasn't sold here it doesn't exist. Many of the unusual model configurations were sold internationally to appeal to the local markets. That's where the 512K/800 comes from.
I think the SE/20 is permutation of the SE 1/20 name, but Apple may have indeed offered the SE/20 in some markets to clearly differentiate the dual floppy from the HD model. Obviously, this would not have happened after they changed their naming conventions with the SE/30. It seems like I have seen the 2/40, but that could also be a permutation of the 1/40 name. The 2 would imply 2MB RAM instead of 1MB. The 4/80 seems a likely candidate to me as it would clearly justify the price difference between a 1/20 & 1/40 as the high end SE.
Thanks Mac128 for the pictures. Now I know I have to search for these as well