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Dream peripherals (the return)
OK we had fun with this one last time, so let's everyone post your dream 68k peripherals, internal or external. Let's start with a list of all those "I wish there was a _____ for _____". Discussions about the feasibility of hacking them up ourselves or getting them made will come after.
If you would care to bold your wished-for items as I have below, it will make it easier to scan through the discussion.
I'll start:
PDS/Nubus dual head video cards.
PDS/Nubus IDE/ATA/RAID
If you would care to bold your wished-for items as I have below, it will make it easier to scan through the discussion.
I'll start:
PDS/Nubus dual head video cards.
PDS/Nubus IDE/ATA/RAID
G3/G4 upgrades for 68k Macs.
G5 upgrades for G3/G4 Macs
Nubus-PCI adapters
G5 upgrades for G3/G4 Macs
Nubus-PCI adapters
Firewire/SATA/PATA/USB Nubus cards
64MB PDS Video card for quadra with DVD decoder built in, 1600x1200@24Bit accelerated 85Hz refresh also has RAM board built in using common PC100 SDRAM.
High tech captures cards that use the 840AV build in DAV slot (same for the DAV in PCI Powermacs).
64MB PDS Video card for quadra with DVD decoder built in, 1600x1200@24Bit accelerated 85Hz refresh also has RAM board built in using common PC100 SDRAM.
High tech captures cards that use the 840AV build in DAV slot (same for the DAV in PCI Powermacs).
CardBus modification for PB1400s
WPA WiFi encryption support for Mac OS 9 (does that count?)
expansion card for PB1400s that allows them to take more than 64MB of RAM using standard SDRAM SO-DIMMs
CHEAP and EASY TO FIND IDE solutions for 68ks
WPA WiFi encryption support for Mac OS 9 (does that count?)
expansion card for PB1400s that allows them to take more than 64MB of RAM using standard SDRAM SO-DIMMs
CHEAP and EASY TO FIND IDE solutions for 68ks
USB 2.0 support in OS 9.
Classic support on Intel Macs.
Classic support on Intel Macs.
68k/PPC/x86 Chips on the same board. that way, you could run a system like parallels type that under system 8.1 (for the 68k AND PPC support) you can use windows 2k Pro, and move them around much like you do under OS X
Dream OS? Unix backed 8.1! or rather, how about, OS X that runs on a 68k? that would ROCK.
I could also go for a Video card that supports Dual VGA or VGA and a DVI port under the 68k
All of this, in an iMac G4-like setup. The system is at the base, and at the top of the neck, it would have like a 13" or 14" 1024x768 Screen.
While we are at it, let's through in some PC-66/100/133 Memory slots that will run with both PowerPC/68k and x86 (pref Intel Pentium II 300-500Mhz) the Power PC can be a G4 if need be, and the 68k can run at 100Mhz!!.
I know I am totally off the wall, but just think of what you could do with this machine? you could run 68k Apps natively, and windows, and OS X like system. since it would do 68k native, the OS X doesn't need an OS for classic, but rather, it loads with boot, and will allow them to run them integrated.
Dream OS? Unix backed 8.1! or rather, how about, OS X that runs on a 68k? that would ROCK.
I could also go for a Video card that supports Dual VGA or VGA and a DVI port under the 68k
All of this, in an iMac G4-like setup. The system is at the base, and at the top of the neck, it would have like a 13" or 14" 1024x768 Screen.
While we are at it, let's through in some PC-66/100/133 Memory slots that will run with both PowerPC/68k and x86 (pref Intel Pentium II 300-500Mhz) the Power PC can be a G4 if need be, and the 68k can run at 100Mhz!!.
I know I am totally off the wall, but just think of what you could do with this machine? you could run 68k Apps natively, and windows, and OS X like system. since it would do 68k native, the OS X doesn't need an OS for classic, but rather, it loads with boot, and will allow them to run them integrated.
Its just as much fun to try to remember seeing something that fits somebody's wish...even if it turns out you're remembering things that never existed! [
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My own wishes...
- Software that took advantage of: all the special hardware in the IIfx, the DSPs in the 660av/840av, DSPs aimed at Photoshop (but if I remember right didn't accelerate all that many functions)
- Multi-processor 68K? Even possible?
- More uses for Radius Rockets w/ Rocket Share
- Dual 68K 840av with 6 Nubus slots split over two busses
- Faster x86 cards for 68K or PPC Macs. Even something like a 1 GHz P3 would be great. Plenty of power for basic apps in Win. Hell I'd even like to see something like that for PCs. All the boards I ever see for Mac, PC, Sun are all from back in the days of the 486, P1
- I always wanted a two-drive SCSI enclosure for my 840av (when I had one) that looked the same as the tower but about 1/3 - 1/2 as tall. And said "AV RAID" or something else cool on the front [
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If you're really after this, routinely search for Acard SCSI adapters. I've been looking for the higher end (Ultra2 SCSI and greater) models to use ATA drives in and have even stumbled upon an online store selling those more expensive boards for $35 dollars once. Considering that seems to be the typical price of a 50-pin adapter and about 1/2 to 1/3 the price of the faster models, with luck you could come across the 50-pin"s for a price that's more in line with what it "should" cost to use an ATA drive in an interface that slow.
Don't know if this is available with any of the wireless "game adapters" and I'm too tired to check. 8-o I just think those things are fantastic. I've gotten many pre-wireless systems on my network even lent one to a friend who's notebook internal wireless died. If my Linksys WGA54g didn't melt itself I'd be using it right now...
I used to have a Spigot Pro AV which I think used the DAV slot in the 840av. Can't think of anything that used the DAV in PCI Powermacs! [
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- Software that took advantage of: all the special hardware in the IIfx, the DSPs in the 660av/840av, DSPs aimed at Photoshop (but if I remember right didn't accelerate all that many functions)
- Multi-processor 68K? Even possible?
- More uses for Radius Rockets w/ Rocket Share
- Dual 68K 840av with 6 Nubus slots split over two busses
- Faster x86 cards for 68K or PPC Macs. Even something like a 1 GHz P3 would be great. Plenty of power for basic apps in Win. Hell I'd even like to see something like that for PCs. All the boards I ever see for Mac, PC, Sun are all from back in the days of the 486, P1
- I always wanted a two-drive SCSI enclosure for my 840av (when I had one) that looked the same as the tower but about 1/3 - 1/2 as tall. And said "AV RAID" or something else cool on the front [
] ]'>Theoretically, you could probably come pretty close if you could disassemble NeXTSTEP and recompile it for Mac II's/Quadras instead of NeXT boxes. The NeXT motherboards look like they stole a lot of ideas from Apple using a lot of the same components and expansion ports.
I have the Spigot Pro AV in my 840av, there was a avid card that had a cable to the 8500 DAV slot but I never found the card with the special cable.
quicksilver,
Adapter to use PCI cards in Nubus slots.
Adapter to use PCI cards in Nubus slots.
Why? When it's probably impossible, and you can run Nubus cards in a PCI machine. Admittedly, with rare or hideously expensive adapters, but at least it's been done.
If you really want a real '040, add a Rocket.
If you really want a real '040, add a Rocket.
Some more wishes:
dual PDS slot adapters
PDS/Nubus to PCMCIA
PDS to (other types of) PDS adapters
"MacLegacy" card - A PCI Radius Rocket with ports.
Full '040 at 40MHz; RAM, ROM, cache and VRAM slots; 660/840AV DSP, DAV and S-Video; old-school Mac video, SCSI (int/ext), ADB, and LocalTalk/GeoPort compatible serial ports.
For bonus points it has other older slots too, like Nubus, PDS, CommSlot and the AV/TV/FM slot, and an empty socket for another '040 [] ]'> Oh, and integration with OS X/Classic/Rosetta - in that OS X can scoot apps over to it seamlessly that it can't run in emulation.
G3/4/5 "RocketPCI" for Intel machines - with all of the above
dual PDS slot adapters
PDS/Nubus to PCMCIA
PDS to (other types of) PDS adapters
"MacLegacy" card - A PCI Radius Rocket with ports.
Full '040 at 40MHz; RAM, ROM, cache and VRAM slots; 660/840AV DSP, DAV and S-Video; old-school Mac video, SCSI (int/ext), ADB, and LocalTalk/GeoPort compatible serial ports.
For bonus points it has other older slots too, like Nubus, PDS, CommSlot and the AV/TV/FM slot, and an empty socket for another '040 [
] ]'> Oh, and integration with OS X/Classic/Rosetta - in that OS X can scoot apps over to it seamlessly that it can't run in emulation.G3/4/5 "RocketPCI" for Intel machines - with all of the above
Ahem: Now for a feasibility rant:
I wonder: take an existing Nubus SCSI card and replace [some stuff] to make it an ATA card ... that still looks like a SCSI card to the Mac. In my dreams it's a case of replacing one IC :
Ain't gonna happen, unless Trash80 gets a lifetime supply of Jolt and a pet army of engineers.
CF+PCMCIA+HFS+VM
You'd get close with a 7100/8100, a G3 upgrade, a Radius Rocket and a Nubus DOS card or VPC. Or a PCI machine with a G4, an OrangeMicro card and Basilisk.
Liquid nitrogen?
...or you can source the near-mythical PowerComputing PCI+Nubus riser
They were useable in some audio programs apparently. Apart from that, all it takes is for someone to write or port stuff to them...
I think you've answered your own question there
Yes please- Dual 68K 840av with 6 Nubus slots
With updated drivers for OS X and WinXP/Vista - but Boot Camp and Parallels pretty much kill the business case for these
Get a scrapped 840/8100 case and cut it down
Or run NetBSD and the Just-In-Time build of Basilisk II
And they ran '030s and '040s so it shouldn't be an impossible recompile.
I want a mini 68k mac that plug into my mini and uses it's ram, HD, etc, with a 68040 inside to run 68k apps natively... Basically an external processor...
Strip down a 475 or a 630 into a new case (no floppy, speakers, CD) and run VNC on both machines.
That reminds me. Wasn't there a PowerComputing model that had a socketed 604e? Maybe it was never produced or I have the wrong company. Anyway how about faster IBM PPC upgrades, single or more processors. They've got to beat a G3 at some speed lol.
I've tried. Didn't work out. For one thing I had no idea how to join the top and bottom once some metal was cut from the middle - was told it couldn't be welded. Oh well that projects long past.Get a scrapped 840/8100 case and cut it down
64pin 128MB RAM sticks, 1GHz ´030 multiprocessor upgrade, ati radeon 9800 NUBUS... hehe.
run IIfx run... :
run IIfx run... :
Oooo I almost forgot. Memory for 6500's. Either 2k refresh DIMMS in higher capacity than 64meg, OR DIMM risers with more slots that fit in the existing 2 memory slots that let you add more than 2 64meg modules OR a 4k refresh memory controller upgrade.
IIRC there was a Umax Apus/SuperMac that did.
I can't believe he still has all that Radius stuff listed! Any profit must have long disappeared in ebay fees. I bought what I think was his second to last StudioArray at least 3 years ago. I still have it though its suffered from mod attempts. For some reason I wanted to remove the StudioArray sticker from the front. Well once it was off I saw there was a recessed spot for a company name badge (BTW FWB used the same enclosure at some point). I don't know what led to painting it black and sanding it not necessarily in that order but it took off the texture that was in the original paint (maybe it was a black paint job I regretted). Its one of the last remaining Mac items in my parent's basement. Along with two 81/110s (not defaced by me). And man what I spent in buying those stupid 1' external SCSI cables that HAD to have the Sun-style clips. They are now in the box of 1000 SCSI cables = box full of money. This was all part of my interest in the VideoVision Telecast system. I've still got two Telecast boxes, two monster cables, one VV Nubus card, one VV PCI + Telecast card, manuals, video tape, software. All needs to go except maybe one 81/110. I never used the Telecast much but its still got more connections than much newer video capture systems. Problem is the rendering speed on the old systems its compatible with. But man that box with the lights is cool. [8D] Oh so I'll throw in something for the wish list so I can say this post is sorta on topic: more blinkenlights
I passed up getting the studioarray for my PCI Telecast, just using an ata/66 card and ide drives. I did get all (I think) the manuals and software for the VV, my vhs tape is for the nubus setup, was there one specific to the PCI version?.
Quicksilver: Are you fireselling the VV stuff?
Quicksilver: Are you fireselling the VV stuff?
Pop rivets!
USB thoughts:
I note:
So: if one could complete the necessary hardware, and run NetBSD/m68k with the JIT build of Basilisk II
I note:
Another reference
So: if one could complete the necessary hardware, and run NetBSD/m68k with the JIT build of Basilisk II
... perhaps the driver problem would not be so insurmountable.
A processor upgrade for the dual 1.42ghz FW800 MDD G4. That's all I want.
USB on 68Ks would be cool too.
USB on 68Ks would be cool too.
I could go for accelerated graphics for my LC III PDS...
Well, there's always clock chipping... I don't know how much head room the processors in the 1.42GHz version have, nor how efficient the copper heat sink is. I have purchase four or five beefy heat sinks with heat pipes all over them from the PC oriented world, and one of these days I will find a circular tuit. Then I'll cobble some adapters to mount these heat sinks in the MDD (all chosen so their bases will cover dual G4s, and their height won't bump the hard drive mount) and test who provides the best cooling. Following that, serious overclocking to see how fast the MDD can go with stock CPUs and serious cooling.
Of course, the 1.42 GHz copper heat sink may already be as efficient as the specialized PC heat sinks, and the G4s may already be near the top of their performance ceiling...
I think there's a web site where some fellow took his MDD dual up close to 1.6 GHz. Since you won't get much bettter than 1.8 GHz from upgrades (IIRC) that's pretty good.
I thought I saw OSX on a 68k machine once - it was slow as molasses in -10F weather... and I think it was running via a VM on linux
EDIT: AHH linky: http://mactalk.com.au/articles/68kpanther/
EDIT: AHH linky: http://mactalk.com.au/articles/68kpanther/
External raid tower built with cheap usb sticks. FW and SCSI connector.
Even better, flash disk made with that really cheap DDR2 ram with an IDE/SCSI connector. There's a PCI card already out made by Gigabyte but it uses the more expensive DDR(1?) ram.
Even better, flash disk made with that really cheap DDR2 ram with an IDE/SCSI connector. There's a PCI card already out made by Gigabyte but it uses the more expensive DDR(1?) ram.
Yes, I've seen that site and I think I have it saved somewhere, but I always misplace the link. I believe he got it up to 1.67ghz. I would try it; I'm confident in my soldering skills, but my machine generates so much heat as it is, I'd have to do as he did and invest in additional fans. Maybe some day. :/