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Questions about the Middle East

Questions about the Middle East General 28 posts Mar 25, 2003 — Mar 26, 2003

#1 Tue, 25 Mar 2003 - 05:30

Question: Which country alone in the Middle East has nuclear weapons?
Answer: Israel.

Q: Which country in the Middle East refuses to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and bars international inspections?
Answer: Israel.

Q: Which country in the Middle East seized the sovereign territory of other nations by military force and continues to occupy it in defiance of United Nations Security Council resolutions ?
Answer: Israel.

Q: Which country in the Middle East routinely violates the international borders of another sovereign state with warplanes and artillery and naval gunfire?
Answer: Israel.

Q: What American ally in the Middle East has for years sent assassins into other countries to kill its political enemies (a practice sometimes called exporting terrorism)?
Answer: Israel.

Q: In which country in the Middle East have high-ranking military officers admitted publicly that unarmed prisoners of war were executed?
Answer: Israel.

Q: What country in the Middle East refuses to prosecute its soldiers who have acknowledged executing prisoners of war?
Answer: Israel.

Q: What country in the Middle East created 762,000 refugees and refuses to allow them to return to their homes, farms and businesses?
Answer: Israel.

Q: What country in the Middle East refuses to pay compensation to people whose land, bank accounts and businesses it confiscated?
Answer: Israel.

Q: In what country in the Middle East was a high-ranking United Nations diplomat assassinated?
Answer: Israel.

Q: In what country in the Middle East did the man who ordered the assassination of a high-ranking U.N. diplomat become prime minister?
Answer: Israel.

Q: What country in the Middle East blew up an American diplomatic facility in Egypt and attacked a U.S. ship, the USS Liberty, in international waters, killing 34 and wounding 171 American sailors?
Answer: Israel.

Q: What country in the Middle East employed a spy, Jonathan Pollard, to steal classified documents and then gave some of them to the Soviet Union?
Answer: Israel.

Q: What country at first denied any official connection to Pollard, then voted to make him a citizen and has continuously demanded that the American president grant Pollard a full pardon?
Answer: Israel.

Q. What Middle East country allows American Jewish murderers to flee to its country to escape punishment in the United States and refuses to extradite them once in their custody?
Answer: Israel

Q. What Middle East country preaches against hate yet builds a shrine and a memorial for a murderer who killed 29 Palestinians while they prayed in their Mosque.
Answer: Israel

Q: What country on Planet Earth has the second most powerful lobby in the United States, according to a recent Fortune magazine survey of Washington insiders?
Answer: Israel.

Q. Which country in the Middle East deliberately targeted a U.N. Refugee Camp in Qana, Lebanon and killed 103 innocent men, women, and children?
Answer: Israel

Q: Which country in the Middle East is in defiance of 69 United Nations Security Council resolutions and has been protected from 29 more by U.S. vetoes?
Answer: Israel.

Q. Which country in the Middle East receives more than one-third of all U.S. aid yet is the 16th richest country in the world?
Answer: Israel

Q. Which country in the Middle East receives U.S. weapons for free and then sells the technology to the Republic of China even at the objections of the U.S.?
Answer: Israel

Q. Which country in the Middle East routinely insults the American people by having its Prime Minister address the United States Congress and lecturing them like children on why they have no right to reduce foreign aid?
Answer: Israel

Q. Which country in the Middle East had its Prime Minister announce to his staff not to worry about what the United States says because "We control America?"
Answer: Israel

Q. What country in the Middle East was cited by Amnesty International for demolishing more than 4000 innocent Palestinian homes as a means of ethnic cleansing.
Answer: Israel

Q. Which country in the Middle East has just recently used a weapon of mass destruction, a one-ton smart bomb, dropping it in the center of a highly populated area killing 15 civilians including 9 children?
Answer: Israel

Q. Which country in the Middle East routinely kills young Palestinian children for no reason other than throwing stones at armored vehicles, bulldozers, or tanks?
Answer: Israel

Q. Which country in the Middle East signed the Oslo Accords promising to halt any new Jewish Settlement construction, but instead, has built more than 270 new settlements since the signing?
Answer: Israel

Q. Which country in the Middle East has assassinated more than 100 political officials of its opponent in the last 2 years while killing hundreds of civilians in the process, including dozens of children?
Answer: Israel

Q.. Which country in the Middle East regularly violates the Geneva Convention by imposing collective punishment on entire towns, villages, and camps, for the acts of a few, and even goes as far as demolishing entire villages while people are still in their homes?
Answer: Israel

Q: What country in the Middle East is the United States attacking because of fear that it may be a threat to the US?
Answer: Iraq

#2 Tue, 25 Mar 2003 - 05:32

We went through this already. We know you are an idiot. No need to prove it to us all again.

#3 Tue, 25 Mar 2003 - 05:37

I hope you got some powerful flamerepellant.

#4 Tue, 25 Mar 2003 - 05:57

While Oswald's post looks like flame bait indeed, there are a couple of grains of truth in there.

If I'd be an Arab I'd be mightily pissed off about the United States supporting a regime that so frequently violates human rights.

#5 Tue, 25 Mar 2003 - 06:02

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Originally posted by Mastrap:
While Oswald's post looks like flame bait indeed, there are a couple of grains of truth in there.

If I'd be an Arab I'd be mightily pissed off about the United States supporting a regime that frequently and admittedly violates human rights.

Agreed. It is frightenin that it seems like the US willingly looks the other way while Israel is breaking international laws. This is probably one of the main reasons there is this much hatred of the US in the middleeast. We all know for example that building permanent settlements in occupied areas is illegal. But how can we enforce Israel to withdraw when the US puts its blessing on it or rather does not push on Israel to withdraw.

But soon we will see the POV of "bizarro baseless accusations" and co. and this will turn into yet another flamefest.

#6 Tue, 25 Mar 2003 - 06:05

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Government. At least call it a government. Israel is a democracy with an elected government. By calling it a regime you are making a transparent value judgement. As a rule of thumb, the difference between a government and a regime is that a regime does not have the legitimacy of democratic government. Thus South Korea has a government, while North Korea has a regime.

Of course, there are gray areas inbetween. I think it would have been fair to call South Africa a regime, and also Rhodesia in the Smith years, and Zimbabwe under Mugabe. That's because they have the trappings of democracy without the reality of a universal franchise.

Israel, on the other hand, has both the trappings of democracy, and the reality. There are Arab Moslems with Israeli citizenship, Christians with Israeli citizenship, as well as Jews with Israeli citizenship. They all get to vote, and their votes are all counted. Therefore, it is proper to call the elected government of Israel a government, not a regime.

#7 Tue, 25 Mar 2003 - 06:08

You're right. I didn't think.

#8 Tue, 25 Mar 2003 - 13:28

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Originally posted by SimeyTheLimey:
Government. At least call it a government. Israel is a democracy with an elected government. By calling it a regime you are making a transparent value judgement. As a rule of thumb, the difference between a government and a regime is that a regime does not have the legitimacy of democratic government. Thus South Korea has a government, while North Korea has a regime.

Of course, there are gray areas inbetween. I think it would have been fair to call South Africa a regime, and also Rhodesia in the Smith years, and Zimbabwe under Mugabe. That's because they have the trappings of democracy without the reality of a universal franchise.

Israel, on the other hand, has both the trappings of democracy, and the reality. There are Arab Moslems with Israeli citizenship, Christians with Israeli citizenship, as well as Jews with Israeli citizenship. They all get to vote, and their votes are all counted. Therefore, it is proper to call the elected government of Israel a government, not a regime.

Simey,

Another well-reasoned post. However, IMO I will consider Israel to be a fully "democratic" government when those 762,000 Palestinian refugees are allowed to return to their homes and land given the same rights as Israeli citizens.

Of course, the "government" of Israel has no intention of ever allowing this to happen because then the European Ashkenazi Jews that control the country would be a minority and could be outvoted in a democratic system. On top of that, a lot of them would have to give up the lands and homes that they stole ... or at a minimum pay compensation.

In my view, the Arab Israeli citizens are being used as tokens by the European Jewish "majority" to give the appearance of democracy ... when the reality is that the government is a lot more similar to the apartheid regime of S. Africa ...especially when considering its activities in the Occupied Territories and other policies with respect to the sale of land to non-Jews, etc. .... than most in the West would like to believe.

OAW

#9 Tue, 25 Mar 2003 - 13:30

This is a political thread. Why is it not in the other forum?

#10 Tue, 25 Mar 2003 - 14:09

The question you need to ask yourself is. If the Palestinians was to leave Israel alone, from the start. How much of this would have Israel been doing? Most of this is directly caused by Palestinian terrorism.

#11 Tue, 25 Mar 2003 - 14:24

I find it interesting that a very small people group (compared to the massive Arab population all over the region) commands a lot more power.

Not that I hope this happens, but perhaps if all the ridiculously rich oil Arabs (mostly the dictators and leaders in the region) had an organized style of government, they may be able to take on Israel. If that ever happened, Israel would be a hole in the ground.

Ain't never gonna happen though. I would be afraid to mess with God's people.

#12 Tue, 25 Mar 2003 - 14:27

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Originally posted by Kitschy:
I find it interesting that a very small people group (compared to the massive Arab population all over the region) commands a lot more power.

Not that I hope this happens, but perhaps if all the ridiculously rich oil Arabs (mostly the dictators and leaders in the region) had an organized style of government, they may be able to take on Israel. If that ever happened, Israel would be a hole in the ground.

Ain't never gonna happen though. I would be afraid to mess with God's people.

Probably wouldn't happen as Israel has nuclear weapons and has shown they are willing to use them, but anything is possible.

#13 Tue, 25 Mar 2003 - 14:31

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Originally posted by Kitschy:
perhaps if all the ridiculously rich oil Arabs (mostly the dictators and leaders in the region) had an organized style of government, they may be able to take on Israel. If that ever happened, Israel would be a hole in the ground.

Ask Nasser how well the United Arab Republic worked out.

#14 Tue, 25 Mar 2003 - 15:17

Oh, good old ODL... always trolling...

Maybe the reason we aren't concerned about Israel is because they aren't run by madmen like Saddam and Arafat.

#15 Tue, 25 Mar 2003 - 15:23

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Originally posted by davesimondotcom:
Oh, good old ODL... always trolling...

Maybe the reason we aren't concerned about Israel is because they aren't run by madmen like Saddam and Arafat.

It's run by a war criminal instead, eh? Where's the difference?

#16 Tue, 25 Mar 2003 - 17:01

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Originally posted by Mastrap:
It's run by a war criminal instead, eh? Where's the difference?

The difference is that he's white (European)] and he's on "our side" (allied with the West).

Even though most Westerners hate to admit it ... it's really as simple as that.

OAW

#17 Tue, 25 Mar 2003 - 18:27

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Originally posted by Zimphire:
The question you need to ask yourself is. If the Palestinians was to leave Israel alone, from the start.(snip)

Ahhhhhh.... baseless accusations, speculations, unfounded claims, projections and dare I say pot, kettle, black!

Nothing like the smell of ignorance in the morning!! <takes a deep breath>

Yes you know it Zimphire, but really aren't gonna face it. Kevin dear boy, you are just trolling.

#18 Tue, 25 Mar 2003 - 21:26

blah blah blah blah, go be a suicide bomber or something soon please

#19 Tue, 25 Mar 2003 - 22:48

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Originally posted by snotnose:
blah blah blah blah, go be a suicide bomber or something soon please

What a constructive and insightful comment.
Welcome to my Ignore List

#20 Tue, 25 Mar 2003 - 23:21

Question: Which thread has a topic that's been discussed over and over many times?
Answer: This one.

#21 Wed, 26 Mar 2003 - 00:20

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Originally posted by Zimphire:
The question you need to ask yourself is. If the Palestinians was to leave Israel alone, from the start. How much of this would have Israel been doing? Most of this is directly caused by Palestinian terrorism.

#22 Wed, 26 Mar 2003 - 00:31

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Originally posted by kvm_mkdb:
What a constructive and insightful comment.
Welcome to my Ignore List

hehee thats funny.

guy wants to make all those cracks on israel, so i figured he should go ahead and join in the palestinian cause. chill out

#23 Wed, 26 Mar 2003 - 00:38

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Originally posted by voodoo:
Ahhhhhh.... baseless accusations, speculations, unfounded claims, projections and dare I say pot, kettle, black!

Actually, that was my opinion, and it's a very good one at that.

Quote:

Nothing like the smell of ignorance in the morning!! <takes a deep breath>

How is that igorant? Please inform me.

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Yes you know it Zimphire, but really aren't gonna face it. Kevin dear boy, you are just trolling.

Trolling? How So? Because I said that if the Palistianians would have left Israel alone from the start, none of this would be happening? Because I gave my opinion on the matter? I find it humorous you consider that trolling. Really, I do. Now this post,... this post is a troll.

There is a difference.

#24 Wed, 26 Mar 2003 - 00:38

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Originally posted by OAW:

Another well-reasoned post. However, IMO I will consider Israel to be a fully "democratic" government when those 762,000 Palestinian refugees are allowed to return to their homes and land given the same rights as Israeli citizens.

Of course, the "government" of Israel has no intention of ever allowing this to happen because then the European Ashkenazi Jews that control the country would be a minority and could be outvoted in a democratic system. On top of that, a lot of them would have to give up the lands and homes that they stole ... or at a minimum pay compensation.

Couldn't that same reasoning be used in about a million instances in mankind's history? Hasn't almost every nation been established at someone else's expense?

What about all the Jews that were forcefully expelled from Arabian lands and their property seized? And they were valuable members of their communities for centuries. There was an actual term for the dispersal but I can't recall it right now.

How's the Native American situation out there in St Louis? Still on the reservations?

You may make points in other areas but I hardly think anybody has the right to be self-righteous when it comes to appropriating land and establishing a nation-state. It's the story of civilization. Not to say it's acceptable in this or any case but it seems to be fact of life.

#25 Wed, 26 Mar 2003 - 00:39

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Originally posted by Mastrap:

Please explain to me, just how I was trolling?

I will be waiting for a response.

#26 Wed, 26 Mar 2003 - 22:02

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Originally posted by Mastrap:

Do two trolls make a right? What's the sound of one troll traipsing?

#27 Wed, 26 Mar 2003 - 22:14

*yawn*.

#28 Wed, 26 Mar 2003 - 22:25

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Originally posted by Mastrap:

Thanks for the image! It's the first time I see a pic of zimphire. Pretty much what I had imagined.