Columbia University Professor is Pro Iraq

There are no reports about 3000 students, or others, cheering that I can find. There are however reports of colleagues and students expressing regret about the statements made.

Ok so the 3 line statement made by the president shows remorse? of course not... its protocol.

Im glad to see your sticking up the the guy though.
you from france?

Excellent. You run out of arguments, you resort to jibes about perceived nationality. Well done.

For your information: I did not "stick up" for this guy. Ever. That statement is as much a figment of your imagination as the "3000 students cheering" by the looks of it.

FWIW I believe that the statement was tasteless in the extreme, that it did the anti war movement a huge disservice and that the guy who made it deserves all he's getting. And then some. Sadly being a college professor doesn't seem to guarantee intelligence by the looks of it.

From ConservativeFrontLine.com:
"...[R]ead about the anti american and treasonous statements that were MADE AND CHEERED ON by a university professor and 3000 of the countries most liberal and disgraceful students."

From NYTimes.com:
"Those who attended the teach-in said most of the audience stayed silent at Professor De Genova's reference to the Mogadishu ambush, an event portrayed in the movie 'Black Hawk Down.'"

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/29/e...&partner=GOOGLE

Yes, those horrible statements were "made" by that university professor as ConservativeFrontLine.com correctly state, but it seems that the statement in question was taken with incredulity by even the left-wing audience with him. Not "cheered on" like ConservativeFrontLine.com claims.

Nevertheless, that those statements were even made disgusts me.

Now lets read an article from a reliable source and read up a little further rather just the last sentance of that paragraph.
FoxNews
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,82532,00.html


Will the 3000 students that I made up and fabricated that cheered please stand up.

I don't think namecalling is in order here. If I can't call F*** A*** an idiot, you shouldn't talk that way to folks either.

that's liberals for ya.. insane isn't it..

check out my website when you get a chance. i'm sure you'd like it.

Oh I definitly like it. Nice Site

I suppose the same reason we let you live here.



MikeM

Academia is a 'leftist' (to use a crude word) stronghold -- though you're probably referring to the humanities. I don't think, e.g., Harvard Business School is particularly 'leftist'.

That website, conservative front line, is very silly.

I'd disagree. All the talk of "stakeholders" is stealth-Leftist. There are plenty of other examples, even in "business" academics.

That's all you need to say. I disagree with the professor's sentiments. But I trust the NYT infinitely more than your website.

In Iraq, however, Hussein will have you shot (or much much worse) for speaking against him. Amerika is the evil one, though...

The people or Iraq are actually free to say anything they want as long as the topic of the conversation/message isn't anti-Saddam Hussein/Anti-Regime/Plotting an Uprising/Spy related (essentially anything against the establishment).

In everyday life that accounts for very little of the conversations people hold - you're not going to be arrested for going to a fruit market and picking up a piece of fruit and yelling "This fruit tastes like crap!" are you?

If I remember correctly, when the Troops first landed in Umm Qasr with aid, one of the first things they were asked for was a packet of cigarettes.

If you look in the Market Streets of Bagdad, you'd find illegal VCDs of the current Hollywood films for sale.

What does freedom of speech matter in America? If all of those against the establishment are never listened to anyway?

Safari doesn't like your site... Blame Gore...

The people or Iraq are actually free to say anything they want as long as the topic of the conversation/message isn't anti-Saddam Hussein/Anti-Regime/Plotting an Uprising/Spy related (essentially anything against the establishment).

In everyday life that accounts for very little of the conversations people hold - you're not going to be arrested for going to a fruit market and picking up a piece of fruit and yelling "This fruit tastes like crap!" are you?

Um, if the fruit tastes like crap because of sanctions due to Sadaam's actions, then yea. Sadaam's secret police might get rather upset. Consider that 60% of Iraq are dependent upon the government for food then criticizing the food is, in effect, criticizing the government.

Beside which limiting all speech to anything which doesn't criticize the establishment is extreme limiting of free speech. I'm not sure how you can possibly imagine it any other way.

Consider this. Most of us here on this forum would be tortured and killed just for expressing our views. Think about that.

It sounds like they want to do that. By removing our somewhat hidden identity the internet provides us.


llinkage

For sure the internet doesn't hide us. Getting rid of routers and NAT so they can find us is a good step towards tracking our on-line movements. You said "bomb" and "Washington" in the same sentence. Let's talk..

Well... the fact is that you probably cannot deeply modify and improve (i.e., "humanise") "reality" without "fantasy" - it's all about a balanced interaction between emotions and reason!

BTW, remember Apple's Think Different... ?

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P.S.: Of course, it's rather difficult to get as unbiased as possible informations on prof. De Genova's most controversial opinions - I'd just add that demonising them might be typical of a certain, not-so-democratic attitude...

Bah. BAH. Examples don't necessarily stand for the whole. Listen, if you're teaching at business school you've bought into a lot of assumptions, and let me tell you crypto-Leninist post-structuralism isn't one of them.

His quotes from the rally are well documented. Getting unbiased information wasn't difficult at all, unless you feel that word-by-word, quoted statements made by DeGenova at the rally are biased.

So, it's ok for Person A to make a statement, but not ok for Persons B, C, and D to disagree? That's undemocratic.

This outrage is as democratic as it gets. The government is not even remotely involved here.

An overwhelming majority of citizens have taken offense to DeGenova's statements, and are utilizing THEIR free speech rights to disagree with him.