The next Anti-Chirst!

It's assuming an awful lot more. Like that it will be happen at all.

We will see I guess. If we are alive at the time. So tell me Mastrap, if indeed the prophecies of Revelations comes true, like say, if Israel starts building a 3rd temple where the original one was, would you start to wonder?

hm. I guess I have a different bible.

nah, I'll answer for him: not everyone:
1. buys into christianity in the first place
2. believes revelations is anything other than allegory
3. believes its possible to accurately interprete it even if it is direct prophecy
4. believes your interpretation is correct.

I'm in up to #2, but after that, I have to say no, and for #4, an emphatic no.

Doesn't the Bible talk about (perhaps in Daniel, a very prophetic book as well) the Anti-Christ coming from an area that is Europe today?

I was thinking the same thing.

I'll have to reread it, but as I recall, identifiers are very vague.
there are kingdoms mentioned, but not named.
The battle of Armageddon is tied to the Baghdad area because of the two rivers, but beyond that, it is highly subjective.

An interesting website (for those interested in Revelations of the Bible) is www.revelationcommentary.org. I'm reading through it, chapter by chapter to get their perspective. Definitely interesting.

Lerk what parts of what I said did you not agree with?

The current situation in the middle east bears the closest resemblence to biblical Armageddon prophecies we've seen in the past few hundred years.

1) Bad guy (Saddam)
2a) Bad Prophet (Osama u Mamma)
2b) Who performed a miracle (9/11)
3) Loose confederation of angry, non-judeo christian militant nations (Islamic world)
4) Israel provoking a swift kick in the ass from #3
5) The usual famines, plagues, etc.
6) A primarily Judeo-Christian superpower that is about to require divine intervention to save itself (The US)
7) Plenty of bulldozers and munitions available to blow the Mount of Olives in two.


Yeah, looks good for the placard holders these days. But don't worry, there's a 1000yrs peace after that.

But if this interpretation is inaccurate, it's definitely Celine Dion.


wolfen

I would volunteer, assuming it is strictly understood that I am operating under God's plan. I've got to assume there's a good retirement plan in it. So what's next? Do we take a vote or something?

what is it with people interested in religion and their spelling ability?

We've got two religious topics - both with spelling mistakes

America is made for Chistians!?!?! and The next Anti-Chirst!


Maybe its the devil - can't spell Christ without his fingers burning on the keyboard



I, for one, hope that Satan puts the position out to tender and just doesn't choose some friend of his to get the chushy job. Don't you just hate it - you think you've got a chance to get the job when you find out the interviewer's friend has just applied.

Has anyone heard what the base salary is like and if there are any benefits such as a health plan or gym membership? What class of travel does Satan send his minions on when they have to travel?

And when do applications close?

I have to re-read it myself, but some contemporary interpreters of the book of Revelations believe that his place of origin would be in Europe, perhaps eastern Europe.

Also, I think I may have picked up my copy of the bible at whatever store you picked up yours, Lerk. I think Zimph got an updated 2nd edition or something.

[edit]Here's a bit more after going through some books. According to Daniel, ten nations will emerge from the location of the fourth world empire that has risen and fallen - the four being Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and Rome. The Roman empire included most of Western Europe. These ten nations will organize a political and/or economic union, and from this, the anti-christ will emerge as one of its leaders. [/edit]

I'm a bit rusty, but I think it is a bit more along these lines-

- Anti-Christ gains power as a world leader
Somehow works out a 7 year peace agreement with Israel (between them and who I don't really know, I assume the Palestinians and/or the neighboring Arab states). His role is as a leader and mediator, but not the Messiah.

- It is during this time the 3rd Temple is supposed to be constructed in preparation for the coming of the Messiah.

- Halfway through the 7 year period, the anti-christ betrays the people of Israel, and I believe they are driven out of the country and into the desert. Anti-christ will shut down all worship, enter the holy of holies in the Temple, and declare himself God. However, my guess is the Jews will probably have a pretty good idea he is not.

I'm probably off somewhat too, and like Lerk said, it is highly subject to interpretation.

Regarding the location the Anti-Christ will have dominion over:



Specifically regarding the bold scripture:


from: revelationcommentary.org

I think if you examine the source (dig a little deeper in the website), you see that revelationcommentary.org is hardly an objective source for interpretation.

You imply that there IS an objective source for interpreting the Bible.

Around here, none of us can agree on anything objective, much less Biblical matters (Kinda fun, really). For the record, I would tend to say that the organization behind revelationcommentary.org (Sola Scriptura) is right on.

Look, revelationcommentary.org is a very analytical take on Revelation and I find it fascinating.

That's all.

If you want an analytic commentary, may I suggest the Anchor series? Much more scholarly than some fundie site trying to link up specific latter day events to scripture.

(A hobby which has been going on for hundreds of years)

Some light relief:

Yes the anti-christ will anti-american too. God backs America after all. Be afraid - be very afraid. Hide your cheese in a can and your peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. For the Europeans are coming to spread the evil that is known as quality condiments across the globe! Muahaha!