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Freedom of Religion
Do you think religious expression should be banned? Limited? Why? Why not?
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Originally posted by Kitschy: Do you think religious expression should be banned? Limited? Why? Why not? |
Define expression first.
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Originally posted by Kitschy: Do you think religious expression should be banned? Limited? Why? Why not? |
I don't care what people want to preach, believe or whatever else they want to do just DON'T PUSH IT ON ME. KEEP THY RELIGION TO THY SELF.
Whatever "expression" any other group has...human rights, peta, pro-choice, anti-war...
Should religious people have that same expression?
Should religious people have that same expression?
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Originally posted by typoon: ...DON'T PUSH IT ON ME. KEEP THY RELIGION TO THY SELF. |
And how does this happen? Give an example? And should that behavior be outlawed?
Everyone should become communist and atheist, yea... thats the solution 
edit: OMG have I really made 600 comments on this forum????

edit: OMG have I really made 600 comments on this forum????
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Originally posted by Kitschy: Whatever "expression" any other group has...human rights, peta, pro-choice, anti-war... Should religious people have that same expression? |
Yes.
My beef is when "expression" is barred by other laws...so, to give you an extreme example..say a religion cropped up that believed human sacrafice was an expression of their fath. No, it shouldn't be protected simply because it is religious expression.
The state should not impose religion, but it should not condon otherwise illegal acts for the sake of religion.
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Originally posted by Kitschy: Do you think religious expression should be banned? Limited? Why? Why not? |
For God's sake no way!

No form of expression should be limited by the government unless it infringes on other's rights.
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Originally posted by davesimondotcom: For God's sake no way! ![]() No form of expression should be limited by the government unless it infringes on other's rights. |
What if some one is proseltyzing and you ask them to stop, but they don't? Is that infringing on your rights?
Agreed, as long as its kept legal, you should have the same right to express yourself as the next person
As long as your civil/non-violent about it I have no problem with people expressing opinions, even ones I totally disagree with
As long as your civil/non-violent about it I have no problem with people expressing opinions, even ones I totally disagree with
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Originally posted by boots: What if some one is proseltyzing and you ask them to stop, but they don't? Is that infringing on your rights? |
Yes. and its harassment.
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Originally posted by typoon: I don't care what people want to preach, believe or whatever else they want to do just DON'T PUSH IT ON ME. KEEP THY RELIGION TO THY SELF. |
So you don't like my sig?
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Originally posted by mikellanes: Yes. and its harassment. |
What about tele-solicitors? That's harrassment too, isn't it?
How about a national "Don't Call" list for evangelists.
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Originally posted by Logic: So you don't like my sig? |
As-Salaamu Alaikum
wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakaatuhu!
Right?
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Originally posted by Kitschy: And how does this happen? Give an example? And should that behavior be outlawed? |
when you get friends or others you meet trying to convert you to this or that religion. Example born again christians. No it shouldn't be outlawed at all, people can believe what they want. I just don't want to have it pushed on me.
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Originally posted by BRussell: How about a national "Don't Call" list for evangelists. |
Where can I get on the list?
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Originally posted by typoon: when you get friends or others you meet trying to convert you to this or that religion. Example born again christians. No it shouldn't be outlawed at all, people can believe what they want. I just don't want to have it pushed on me. |
So advertising in general should be banned speech?
People can believe in the products, just don't tell me about them....
I especially don't like it when people fly airplanes into large buildings killing thousands to express their freedom of religion.
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Originally posted by davesimondotcom: I especially don't like it when people fly airplanes into large buildings killing thousands to express their freedom of religion. |
Ah... but some would argue that was a political statement, and not a religious one.
They were terrorists right?... which would be violent action for political purposes and all that.
Well, aside from my belief that works and actions are the best way to evangelize, i don't believe that proselytization should be banned -- proved it's held by the same rules and regulations and enforced as other demonstrators on the streets.
Provided there's no infringement on other rights I don't see the problem with it. No one's forcing you to listen to christian radio stations or let Jehovah's Witnesses into your home, and the State has the authority to ban human sacrifices and such.
Provided there's no infringement on other rights I don't see the problem with it. No one's forcing you to listen to christian radio stations or let Jehovah's Witnesses into your home, and the State has the authority to ban human sacrifices and such.
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Originally posted by Mastrap: As-Salaamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakaatuhu! Right? |
Wa Alaikum Salaam

Right. One of the few things I know in arabic.
Baraka-llah.
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Originally posted by typoon: when you get friends or others you meet trying to convert you to this or that religion.....I just don't want to have it pushed on me. |
You keep saying "don't push it on me"...do you mean, that when a friend talks to you about God or a Jehova's Witness comes to your door or a guy in the elevator asks if you know Jesus? That that should be outlawed?
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Originally posted by boots: So advertising in general should be banned speech? People can believe in the products, just don't tell me about them.... |
Great point.
"If I want to find out about Krispy Kremes, I'll happen upon it in my own time. Don't push it on me."

Mmmm...Krispy Kremes...
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Originally posted by typoon: when you get friends or others you meet trying to convert you to this or that religion. Example born again christians. No it shouldn't be outlawed at all, people can believe what they want. I just don't want to have it pushed on me. |
I don't think the state can dictate the subject matter two friends are allowed to talk about.
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Originally posted by davesimondotcom: I especially don't like it when people fly airplanes into large buildings killing thousands to express their freedom of religion. |
In related news, it is still illegal in the US to burn a cross for the purpose of intimidation. Oh well.
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Originally posted by Earth Mk. II: It seems that's an understanding you have to come to between your friends and yourself. I don't think the state can dictate the subject matter two friends are allowed to talk about. |
I have don't worry the all know or agree with me on this. I don't think the state can dictate it either but if I meet someone and they start talking about god or preaching to me I tell them to keep it to themselves. Sometimes they get all bent out of shape when you do and try harder to get you to convert.
Proselytizing, isn't it the same as protesting? You're appealing to a somebody for a reason, right? You want them to change their mind on an issue?
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Originally posted by Nicko: Ah... but some would argue that was a political statement, and not a religious one. They were terrorists right?... which would be violent action for political purposes and all that. |
Yes, but for them, their politics and religion are one in the same.
I am on the side of the courts on this one. Yes, religious freedom should be santified and protected. Its one thing that makes this country great.
However, if if its in the compelling of the state to stop said expression, then thats the way it is. The courts have only allowed the government todo this in very rare circumstances, such as human or animal sacrifices, illegal drugs, etc.
If your religion says you have to fly a jet into a building, then no, it shouldn't be allowed. The state has a compelling interest in banning that expression. Its like yelling "fire!' in a theater: you have the right to free speech but in this case the state has a compelling reason to ban it.
However, if if its in the compelling of the state to stop said expression, then thats the way it is. The courts have only allowed the government todo this in very rare circumstances, such as human or animal sacrifices, illegal drugs, etc.
If your religion says you have to fly a jet into a building, then no, it shouldn't be allowed. The state has a compelling interest in banning that expression. Its like yelling "fire!' in a theater: you have the right to free speech but in this case the state has a compelling reason to ban it.