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Iraqi Children freed from Prison
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...on_030408163048
This is a Great thing. I wonder what is going to come out of antiwar protestors who say we are targeting Women and children
This is a Great thing. I wonder what is going to come out of antiwar protestors who say we are targeting Women and children
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Originally posted by Developer: Yes, this is great news. Now do the same in the USA. |
While I am not for the DP, I am surely hope you aren't trying to somehow compare the two.
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Originally posted by Zimphire: While I am not for the DP, I am surely hope you aren't trying to somehow compare the two.
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Originally posted by Developer: I'm not comparing the two, |
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What about the rights of the people that were killed by said "children" in your article?
nevermind
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Originally posted by Zimphire: What about the rights of the people that were killed by said "children" in your article? |
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Originally posted by typoon: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...on_030408163048 This is a Great thing. I wonder what is going to come out of antiwar protestors who say we are targeting Women and children
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Why are you lumping anti-war protestors with people who say that we are TARGETING women and children? Separate your issues and don't be so antagonistic if you want a civil discussion.
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Originally posted by deedar: Why are you lumping anti-war protestors with people who say that we are TARGETING women and children? Separate your issues and don't be so antagonistic if you want a civil discussion. |
Because everytime you hear an antiwar protestor on TV you always hear them talking about how we are purposely targeting women and children. When in reality we are not.
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Originally posted by typoon: Because everytime you hear an antiwar protestor on TV you always hear them talking about how we are purposely targeting women and children. When in reality we are not. |
Which channels are you watching then? CNN, the BBC and ITV have reported nothing of the kind...
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Originally posted by Mastrap: Which channels are you watching then? CNN, the BBC and ITV have reported nothing of the kind...
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BBC the interviewed an Iraqi living in the UK who was at an antiwar protest all I heard from her was that we are targeting women and children and there are going to be a lot of civilian casualties. I remember hearing this from her during the first weeks of the war.
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Originally posted by typoon: BBC the interviewed an Iraqi living in the UK who was at an antiwar protest all I heard from her was that we are targeting women and children and there are going to be a lot of civilian casualties. I remember hearing this from her during the first weeks of the war. |
The above is what you cite as support for this statement?
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Originally posted by typoon: Because everytime you hear an antiwar protestor on TV you always hear them talking about how we are purposely targeting women and children. When in reality we are not. |
Seems that you are exaggerating a bit. Perhaps you may simply have some pre-conceived notion of anti-war protesters, no?
Good. Now they can get those bastards back to work making cheap textiles!!
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Originally posted by Developer: It is most tragic that their right to live has been taken away. But I strongly believe there is no right to kill in revenge. |
if you were personally effected by wrongful inprisonment as a child i think you may have a more open mind about it
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Originally posted by mixin visuals: if you were personally effected by wrongful inprisonment as a child i think you may have a more open mind about it |
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Originally posted by thunderous_funker: Good. Now they can get those bastards back to work making cheap textiles!! |
LOL!
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Originally posted by Zimphire: While I am not for the DP, I am surely hope you aren't trying to somehow compare the two.
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Amnesty International doesn't seem to have any difficulty
International human rights treaties prohibit anyone under 18 years old at the time of the crime being sentenced to death. The International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, the American Convention on Human Rights and the Convention on the Rights of the Child all have provisions to this effect. More than 110 countries whose laws still provide for the death penalty for at least some offences have laws specifically excluding the execution of child offenders or may be presumed to exclude such executions by being parties to one or another of the above treaties. A small number of countries, however, continue to execute child offenders.
Seven countries since 1990 are known to have executed prisoners who were under 18 years old at the time of the crime - Congo (Democratic Republic), Iran, Nigeria, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, USA and Yemen. The country which carried out the greatest number of known executions of child offenders was the USA (17 since 1990).
Amnesty International recorded three executions of child offenders in 2001: one in Iran, one in Pakistan and one in the USA.
It's official - the USA is the most barbaric county in the world when it comes to this issue.
Did you spot which widley talked-about-country-of-the-moment wasn't mentioned above?
Uhh maybe because saddam doesn't release those figures, or allow amnesty international inspectors in his country?
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Originally posted by BkueKanoodle: Uhh maybe because saddam doesn't release those figures, or allow amnesty international inspectors in his country? |
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Originally posted by Developer: It is most tragic that their right to live has been taken away. But I strongly believe there is no right to kill in revenge. |
I agree as well for the most part.
I don't have time to think about them, I'm busy thinking of their victims.
(and before you label me a conservative jackass who hates kids, you should know I currently have 5 foster kids in my home and I love everyone as if they were my own. Maybe all of you who are so worried about the poor kids being victimized in the US should take action, rather then sit here and write posts whining about the situation)
(and before you label me a conservative jackass who hates kids, you should know I currently have 5 foster kids in my home and I love everyone as if they were my own. Maybe all of you who are so worried about the poor kids being victimized in the US should take action, rather then sit here and write posts whining about the situation)
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Originally posted by BkueKanoodle: I don't have time to think about them, I'm busy thinking of their victims. (and before you label me a conservative jackass who hates kids, you should know I currently have 5 foster kids in my home and I love everyone as if they were my own. Maybe all of you who are so worried about the poor kids being victimized in the US should take action, rather then sit here and write posts whining about the situation) |
word up.
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Originally posted by deedar: The above is what you cite as support for this statement? Seems that you are exaggerating a bit. Perhaps you may simply have some pre-conceived notion of anti-war protesters, no? |
No, Preconcieved notions here. I don't have a link because I saw it on BBC24 live stream early in the war. You still up until recently hear liberals like Pelosi and others saying that the US is targeting Women and children.
You heard many saying that when an alleged Allied Missle/bomb went astray and hit that mrket.
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Originally posted by thunderous_funker: Good. Now they can get those bastards back to work making cheap textiles!! |
NO BLOOD FOR RUGS!
It's all about rugs. Bush just wants to control the Persian Rug industry.
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Originally posted by typoon: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...on_030408163048 This is a Great thing. I wonder what is going to come out of antiwar protestors who say we are targeting Women and children
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Alright. Know what? I've had it with this kind of crap. Typh, you know I love ya and all, but this shyt is really pissing me OFF.
You people STILL don't get it, do you?
Protest? Here's what THINKING protesters have an issue with: the rest of it. OK! Saddam gone? Clap hands... what's next? Hm? Our "friends" in Saudi? Hm? NK? Congo? Where ELSE will we go, championing human rights? Hm? WHEN will it end? When every bloody dictator is gone from the Earth? OK! Since we are so ever consistent with our policies, since this was about danger to the world, human rights and WMDs and loony dictators... Lets go to it! THere's certainly no shortage of human shredding boxes and folks who enjoy operating them! LET'S GO! There's more than one unstable area on the planet. There's more than a few countries that could benefit from our help.
Let's get them! If these are the reasons, and I am sure they are, well, we gotta be consistent, right?
NEXT. Now the fighting MAY be done. If so? GREAT. ALL FOR IT. Next? Hm? Repercussions? GO on. TELL me there will be none. Diplomatic ( Because it ain't as if the vast majority of the people on this planet are FOR this stuff... coalition of 40 something countries... most of whom coerced, wheedled and cajoled into coming along, OVER the protests of their populations... and why should we listen to THEM, right?), Political, TERRORIST... sure. I'm just being a hysterical sally. FBI probably thought issues leading to 9/11 were hysterical too. Fact is, you, me, NONE of us know how this will all play out in the end- IF there is an end. So ****ing quit the goddamned slamming based on speculation.
Now, here's the other thing: GET. OFF. PROTESTERS. They have an opinion. Valid. They voice it. VALID. They have concerns. VALID. SOme break laws to do it? Civil Disobedience. VALID. We have a LONG history with it here in the home of the ****ing free (not all offers valid, void where prohibited by law). You people deriding the whole group? PISSY, PETULANT AND INVALID and yeah, PARTISAN (worst reason of all). People have statements, people have concerns, people have messages, People have rights to express ALL of these, like it or not. LET THEM. AND RESPECT THEM. ANd DON'T GIVE me the "well, they don't respect me so..." crap. You're so big? ACT LIKE IT. IF you people continue to call these folks "Peaceniks" and "morons", well, DON'T bitch if they call you war mongering baby killing short sighted inconsistent hypocritical dinks. It's all one. And you play the same game.
I'm out. Said my piece. We now return you to your regularly scheduled smug little parlor game.
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Originally posted by maxelson: Repercussions? |
There are ALWAYS repercussions, max. No matter which road you take you don't escape them. I'll take my chances with the ones that now await us than what we would have faced had we traveled further down the road we were on. Iraq has a great deal of oil wealth, the most powerful country on earth on it's side instead of against it and the tyrant's grip has been broken. I like Iraq's chances a helluva lot better now than they were a month ago.
Diplomatic repercussions? Yeah, I'll bet there will be more than a few after the images from this morning are broadcast around the world. I haven't the slightest doubt that those who so recently opposed us will now find it useful to start mending fences.
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Originally posted by roger_ramjet: I haven't the slightest doubt that those who so recently opposed us will now find it useful to start mending fences. |
I doubt it. I think this piece has it about right. I'd like to agree with you, but faces are at stake. This hasn't been about Iraq itself for at least six months.
Jailed Iraqi children run free as marines roll into Baghdad suburbs
Tue Apr 8,12:30 PM ET
Tue Apr 8,12:30 PM ET
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BAGHDAD (AFP) - More than 100 children held in a prison celebrated their freedom as US marines rolled into northeast Baghdad amid chaotic scenes which saw civilians loot weapons from an army compound, a US officer said. Around 150 children spilled out of the jail after the gates were opened as a US military Humvee vehicle approached, Lieutenant Colonel Fred Padilla told an AFP correspondent travelling with the Marines 5th Regiment. "Hundreds of kids were swarming us and kissing us," Padilla said. "There were parents running up, so happy to have their kids back." "The children had been imprisoned because they had not joined the youth branch of the Baath party," he alleged. "Some of these kids had been in there for five years." The children, who were wearing threadbare clothes and looked under-nourished, walked on the streets crossing their hands as if to mimic handcuffs, before giving the thumbs up sign and shouting their thanks. It was not clear who had opened the doors of the prison. Civilians also took advantage of the collapse of Iraqi President Saddam Hussein's authority to grab weapons from an army base, said Group Sergeant Jeff Treiber. As marines were alerted by radio that civilians had seized weapons, Treiber warned that anyone seen to be armed could be a target of US-British coalition forces. "With the weapons they are becoming combatants," said Treiber. "If they don't take the weapons they will be fine." Other residents stole air conditioning units, television sets and furniture from government buildings in an echo of the looting that was seen in the southern city of Basra. A 19-year-old called Haider said people had been ransacking government compounds since the morning to steal weapons and furniture. "Since the morning, nine o'clock, they have been looting. They are stealing weapons and I took three doors," he said. At one stage the marines opened fire after coming under attack from snipers, leaving at least two civilians wounded. One man needed treatment for gunshot wounds to his stomach and left arm. But his friend, Abdul Amir Jaffa, said he did not resent the Americans despite the shooting. "Americans are coming to free us," he told AFP... |
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Originally posted by roger_ramjet: There are ALWAYS repercussions, max. No matter which road you take you don't escape them. I'll take my chances with the ones that now await us than what we would have faced had we traveled further down the road we were on. Iraq has a great deal of oil wealth, the most powerful country on earth on it's side instead of against it and the tyrant's grip has been broken. I like Iraq's chances a helluva lot better now than they were a month ago. Diplomatic repercussions? Yeah, I'll bet there will be more than a few after the images from this morning are broadcast around the world. I haven't the slightest doubt that those who so recently opposed us will now find it useful to start mending fences. |
We always hear about the repricussions for going to war with Iraq; but NEVER, not ONCE, have I seen a cute flash site that depicts the terrible fate of Nahle Sabet.