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Burger King Ice Cream Packaging . . . Troubleshooting 50 posts Sep 20, 2005 — Sep 20, 2005
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Originally Posted by von Wrangell
I would if the label said "Allah". I'd be offended if it said "Allah" on an icecream. But I'm happy that this Muslim brother of mine brought attention to it (not saying I agree with how he did it). And I'm happy with BK for showing the respect to withdraw it and to decide to find another logo to put on it.

I'm just surprised how outraged you guys are at BK for showing some respect. Well, not really.....


But it doesn't say "Allah". Unless the orientation of the script in Arabic is un-important the swirls in the ice cream are curled opposite the lines in the character/term for Allah. So, while there may be a similarity the ice cream doesn't say Allah.

Or, am I completely missing somethign about how the Arabic language is written and the swirls of the ice cream in the logo ARE the Arabic term for Allah. While I see a similarity--only at first glance--I don't see any sort of equivalence. This is not like the Nike shoe issue from a few years back where the Air logo on the sneakers WAS formed just like the Arabic character/term for "Allah". That was obvious.
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Originally Posted by TETENAL
In my first part I said that respect ought to be a two way thing. What does that have to do with jihad?

Jihad is a complex term. I have my own personal Jihad's. Several of them each day. Some are against my own "devils" like anger, frustration, etc etc. Some are against injustices. Jihad isn't what OBL and the Western media has painted it as.
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Originally Posted by von Wrangell
The "swirl" is different depending on the calligrapher in Arabic. It's the general form that matters. And it simply reads "Allah". Which is offensive to Muslims to have on an icecream.

(perhaps I also need to remind you that Arabic is read from right to left).


So the term in the right-hand picture above is read as "Allah" regardless of the orientation of the curl of the vertical lines? Interesting! I knew Arabic was a right-to-left language I didn't know it was so orthographically flexible.

So, what part of the assemblage of lines and swirls/curls must be fixed and what part can be modified and have the character/term still mean "Allah"? Do you have other examples of the term written with different orthographic styles? That would be interesting to see.
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Originally Posted by dcmacdaddy
That was intentionally offensive and inflammatory and completely unnecessary.


Hey, we're not in Saudi any more. If I want to go flush a koran down the toilet, it's my right to. If I want to tell you about my flushing a koran down the toilet, it's my right to. Likewise, if I want to point out how easily offended some people are I could mention other instances of folks rumoured to have flushed and the resulting riots from said rumoured action.

Some folks get offended too easily. I guess it's all that straining their eyes trying to make out the difference between their texts and pictures of everyday objects.

(of course, I'm not actually going to flush a koran down the toilet. That would be a waste of money)
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Originally Posted by Doofy
Hey, we're not in Saudi any more. If I want to go flush a koran down the toilet, it's my right to. If I want to tell you about my flushing a koran down the toilet, it's my right to. Likewise, if I want to point out how easily offended some people are I could mention other instances of folks rumoured to have flushed and the resulting riots from said rumoured action.

Some folks get offended too easily. I guess it's all that straining their eyes trying to make out the difference between their texts and pictures of everyday objects.

(of course, I'm not actually going to flush a koran down the toilet. That would be a waste of money)


Yes, you are certainly within your rights to flush a Koran down the toilet in the UK, Sherwin. Would you be offended if someone made a similar comment about the Bible?

Or, are there no religious texts you view as sacred and worthy of respectful treatment?
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Originally Posted by Randman
I'm Catholic, not Muslim but that is an offensive comment. If someone said that about the Bible, people would be up in arms.


Hey no, you can go flush my Bible down the toilet if you like. I'll just buy another one, rather than sparking a riot and killing folks.
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Originally Posted by dcmacdaddy
But it doesn't say "Allah". Unless the orientation of the script in Arabic is un-important the swirls in the ice cream are curled opposite the lines in the character/term for Allah. So, while there may be a similarity the ice cream doesn't say Allah.

Or, am I completely missing somethign about how the Arabic language is written and the swirls of the ice cream in the logo ARE the Arabic term for Allah. While I see a similarity--only at first glance--I don't see any sort of equivalence. This is not like the Nike shoe issue from a few years back where the Air logo on the sneakers WAS formed just like the Arabic character/term for "Allah". That was obvious.

You are probably just misunderstanding how the Arabic script is written. But at least you argue it from that POV instead of the same POV as Doofy and Macrobat.

A good example of how differently Allah is written is to just to a google image search for "arabic allah". There you'll see how differently it is written. The direction "swirls" themselves are not that important.
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Originally Posted by dcmacdaddy
Yes, you are certainly within your rights to flush a Koran down the toilet in the UK, Sherwin. Would you be offended if someone made a similar comment about the Bible?


See post above.

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Originally Posted by dcmacdaddy
Or, are there no religious texts you view as sacred and worthy of respectful treatment?


Texts contents, yes. The paper they're written on? Nope.
I will remind those of you that don't seem to get it, to at least be somewhat respectful in your arguments, and cut out the ******** baiting. If you can't, I suggest another round of banning to keep a bit of civility in here.
So did the waves from the tsunami spell allah, like it was rumored?
You're an idiot. Or, at least, you're trying to sound like one.

You're making the same mistakes ass holes like UBL make: lumping everyone of a faith into one group.

There are plenty of peaceful, good Muslims just as there are plenty of peaceful, good people of other faiths. And there are murderous scum who profess to be Muslim just as there are murderous scum who profess to be Christian (or any other faith).
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Originally Posted by dcmacdaddy
Or, are there no religious texts you view as sacred and worthy of respectful treatment?

Even though we are all just "virtual" on this board, the other people on this board are worthy of somewhat respectful treatment. We shouldn't insult each other here. If we're flushing Korans and Bibles I think we should just do it privately and not talk about it.
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Originally Posted by von Wrangell
You are probably just misunderstanding how the Arabic script is written. But at least you argue it from that POV instead of the same POV as Doofy and Macrobat.


Yep. But this is not an isolated incident here. Almost weekly some muslim is offended by something and we have to bend over backwards to accommodate (with the reverse never being true).

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Originally Posted by von Wrangell
A good example of how differently Allah is written is to just to a google image search for "arabic allah". There you'll see how differently it is written. The direction "swirls" themselves are not that important.


Hmmm... ...I was under the impression that the handwriting of Allah wasn't open to "different" writing stylisation and that you placed much emphasis on the visual form of the scripts.

Admit it - this guy just did this to annoy the rest of us, to make a point without having to blow himself up in London.
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Originally Posted by ThinkInsane
I will remind those of you that don't seem to get it, to at least be somewhat respectful in your arguments, and cut out the ******** baiting. If you can't, I suggest another round of banning to keep a bit of civility in here.


If you mean me, you'll notice that my comments are directly related to the thread topic (people being offended by things). Think about it.
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Originally Posted by Doofy
Hey no, you can go flush my Bible down the toilet if you like. I'll just buy another one, rather than sparking a riot and killing folks.

The majority of ppl are going to find that offensive. I think you know that. It's the religious version of a 'your mom' comment.
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Originally Posted by dcmacdaddy
So the term in the right-hand picture above is read as "Allah" regardless of the orientation of the curl of the vertical lines? Interesting! I knew Arabic was a right-to-left language I didn't know it was so orthographically flexible.

So, what part of the assemblage of lines and swirls/curls must be fixed and what part can be modified and have the character/term still mean "Allah"? Do you have other examples of the term written with different orthographic styles? That would be interesting to see.

It's difficult to explain with words as I'm not by any means an expert in Arabic calligraphy although I know a fair bit about it. A few examples would be the following.

http://www.greenbookcafe.com/greenb.../AllahFlame.gif

http://www.ezsoftech.com/islam/i/allah.jpg

http://sufi-mystic.net/images/Allah99.jpg

http://www.lamafoundation.org/image...lorydisplay.jpg

http://www.sakkal.com/Images/Iqra%20fig4.Jpg

http://www.islamcan.com/miracles/allahinarabic.jpg

http://www.lamafoundation.org/image...green-small.jpg

Those are some basic styles for writing "Allah". There are much more complex calligraphy though which resembles abstract art more than writing until you've started to become used to the regular Arabic writing.
Looks like "allah" has alot to answer for.


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Originally Posted by TETENAL
Even though we are all just "virtual" on this board, the other people on this board are worthy of somewhat respectful treatment. We shouldn't insult each other here. If we're flushing Korans and Bibles I think we should just do it privately and not talk about it.

Agreed.
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Originally Posted by Mark Larr
Looks like "allah" has alot to answer for.

I always thought the tsunami pic was a bit over the top. Or just silly.
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Originally Posted by TETENAL
Even though we are all just "virtual" on this board, the other people on this board are worthy of somewhat respectful treatment. We shouldn't insult each other here. If we're flushing Korans and Bibles I think we should just do it privately and not talk about it.


No. Goes to the point of the thread: people being offended easily.

The mentality which caused this guy in BK to be offended is the exact same mentality which causes riots when flushings happen - just a different intensity.
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