i would think that it behooves Apple to keep a close rein on their opensource direction and therefore am having trouble understanding the following: Wired talks about some of the i…

Does anyone know if the Cocoa/Carbon developer tools will be included in the Beta release? I'm just thinking it would be great if the OS came standard with developer tools. Isn't t…

I think apple would include it. I mean the tools are free why not ship it and add that as an extra add on for an install. Correct me if I am wrong, but i think i am right, the GUI …

Yes, Macintosh Programmers Workshop, their classic programming environment, is availabe as a free download from Apple's developer site. You don't need to be a registered developer …

Project Builder is an IDE for free compilers and debuggers, that's true. But Interface Builder is Apple's own work (inherited from NeXT), and I don't think the specs of the nib fi…

I would highly doubt apple will see its programing tools. They would never make a dime off of it. Real developers would choose code warrior. This means apple will stick people who …

"Real developers would choose Code Warrior"?!? I guess the folks at id Software aren't real developers because they developed the Quake map editors in Cocoa (then OPENSTEP). I gu…

Most of DP4 was written using CodeWarrior. CodeWarrior does have Cocoa support in CodeWarrior 6 which is in beta. Yes real developers will use real and powerful tools to program wi…

Since when is CodeWarrior supporting Objective-C? Since when is it supporting Mac OS X nib files? These are pretty much required for a real Cocoa development environment. AFAIK,…

From what I've heard, even the MacOS Finder in OS X was built using a carbonized version of Codewarrior's PowerPlant. That really surprises me - why didn't they use Cocoa?

Ok yes DP4 was built on top of darwin. When I am talkinga bout most of DP4 I am talking about the no Darwin parts. I did hear from someone from MetroWerks that CodeWarrior will su…

The Mac OS X Finder was written in Carbon for several reasons. One was probably to prove that Carbon really is a viable API for development (since up to that point Apple was going…

And now, getting back to the original question... Quote: Originally posted by mthompson: Does anyone know if the Cocoa/Carbon developer tools will be included in the B…

WebObjects is different in the tems of what it does... That is what my point is. Think back to the old days off apple you need to use ResEdit to make your resource files. Not othe…

Quote: Originally posted by X Freedom: So my point is this. Apple sould have its tools free. CodeWarrior will make huge advances over Apple tools. Developers (the big gu…

*sigh* May I suggest to read this aricle at Stepwise: http://www.stepwise.com/Articles/Bus...fBusiness.html [Edit: Stepwise, not Stewise ] [This message has been edited by pr…

Other REAL developers use REALbasic. Alphas of which allow you to create native applications for Classic, Mac OS X, and Windows from the same project. [This message has been edi…

Quote: Originally posted by Wrigley: From what I've heard, even the MacOS Finder in OS X was built using a carbonized version of Codewarrior's PowerPlant. That really …

No, Cocoa/Carbon developer tools are NOT included in the Beta release, but they will apparantly be availalbe free to all registered members of ADC Online (free membership) from mid…

I am wondering if anyone could tell me whether carbon applications created on Mac OS 8/9 using CodeWarrior Pro and the CarbonLib SDK will work on Mac OS X DP3 or DP4. Does the mem…

yes. carbon apps developed in 8*/9* will work in dp3/4. the carbon api isn't finished because apple may still add more functionality. i think it's supposed to be 98% finished. …

nibs, who are you? you're the most active guy in this forum by far, and it seems as though you have an answer to everything Mac OS X. given these, i'm clueless as to what to make o…

Anyone know what the Mac OS X version of Realbasic was made with that it cannot be run on Mac OS 9? Because I think that if it was made using the CarbonLib SDK package with either…

Realbasic made on Codewarrior.. Hee hee.. I know it probably was but for some reason that just strikes me as a funny thought. If it is a carbon app, it should be able to run fine …

The reason you can't run the OS X is that it's likely a Carbon/Mach-O, and not a Carbon/PEF which means that you can't run it on Mac OS 9. And to be clear all, I'd have been spend…