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Can't Get Enough of These Documentaries
· Troubleshooting · 50 posts · Jul 7, 2004 — Jul 8, 2004 View original thread ↗
The last three movies I've seen in theaters have been documentaries and the next one on my list is a documentary. What can explain all these documentaries that are being released left and right? I guess people are fed up with the line of horsesh�t that the corporate media ceaselessly feeds us. here's me list:

Supersize Me
Everyone loves to take a dig at McDonald's every once in a while. This guy took that desire to the next level. The premise of the flick is that his diet was limited to things he bought in McDonald's for thirty days. He had to eat everything on their menu at least once, and he had to supersize every time he was asked. This movie was destined to be gross, and it was most certainly that, but the dude that made it had such a good sense of humor that the whole film seems to be a very well educated wise crack against fast food. I was particularly entertained when I left the theater and saw all the soda cups and jumbo popcorn bags that people had drained during the movie. Americans can be so deliciously ironic.

Fahrenheit 9/11
I guess everyone knows about it and either hates it or admires it. Here are a few of the things I personally took away from it: The 9/11 sequence itself is the first time I'v seen a depiction of that event that gave it a human slant. I had a really tough time identifying emotionally with the attack because the news just looked like, to paraphrase The Onion, a bad Jerry Bruckheimer movie. The way Moore treated that event was so passionate and sensitive that I finally felt a glimmer of what it must have been like to be in lower manhattan on that day (where I now go to school for 9 months out of the year). I've been talking to plenty of folks who have seen it and everyone wants to talk about it like it's propaganda. I really hate that. I think it's an essay, not a propaganda piece. I didn't walk away from the theater with my eyes glazed over mumbling 'mustdefeatbush mustdefeatbush mustdefeatbush' (I was doing that on the way in). Jokes aside, I think the film presented a solid argument and made me think. I didn't agree with everything he said, but I respect his opinions. Propaganda, such as Limbaugh, discourages free thought. Limbaugh tells his listeners not to read the paper. He'll give them all the info they need. Moore's film made me want to go et information and come to my own conclusions. Changing my mind if new information necessitates that. As far as flm making is concerned I think F9/11 is a weaker film than Columbine. The music is really great in the preview and then ho-hum in the picture.

The Corporation
Just saw this 3 hour opus last night and was absolutely amazed. It's a film that explores the history and evolution of the corporation, examines it in our modern life as the dominant institutional form in our society, and what the future of corporations will be. They got interviews with intellectuals, think tank wonks, artists, protestors, CEOs, stock traders, journalists, psychologists and corporate spies. As far as filmmaking is concerned I think it's actually a little bit better than F9/11. It's damn close to being 3 hours long and like any epic film it tells many stories concurrently and resolves them as they play out. They conduct cinematic case studies of corporate crime and accountability and rack up a huge list of flaws that plague the world as a result of the corporate system. It questions corporate power, and while it doesn't make any specific statements as to how to solve these problems, it examines several options for how they could potentially be dealt with working both inside and outside the system. It is an amazing document of one of the most important aspects of the time we live in. It's a shame this film will go largely unnoticed due to the amazing popularity of F9/11.

The Hunting of the President
This is the next flick on my list. It seems to be the hardest one to find a screening of. Living in a major metropolitan area has its benefits, though. I heard the filmmaker, Joe Conason, talking about the show on the radio. It's based on his book by the same title that explores the scope and scale of the right wing attack of President Clinton. Should be some good wholesome lefty fun.
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Originally posted by Axo1ot1:
The Corporation
Just saw this 3 hour opus last night and was absolutely amazed. It's a film that explores the history and evolution of the corporation, examines it in our modern life as the dominant institutional form in our society, and what the future of corporations will be. They got interviews with intellectuals, think tank wonks, artists, protestors, CEOs, stock traders, journalists, psychologists and corporate spies. As far as filmmaking is concerned I think it's actually a little bit better than F9/11. It's damn close to being 3 hours long and like any epic film it tells many stories concurrently and resolves them as they play out. They conduct cinematic case studies of corporate crime and accountability and rack up a huge list of flaws that plague the world as a result of the corporate system. It questions corporate power, and while it doesn't make any specific statements as to how to solve these problems, it examines several options for how they could potentially be dealt with working both inside and outside the system. It is an amazing document of one of the most important aspects of the time we live in. It's a shame this film will go largely unnoticed due to the amazing popularity of F9/11.


I really want to see this...thanks for the review!
saw the first two on the list there back to back. they are the only films that the art house is showing. both highly recommended.
Somehow I doubt you're interested, but try Michael Moore Hates America to see that left wingers don't have a monopoly on "the truth".
I'd like to catch this documentary but I can't find it playing near me.
Can�t wait for the Supersize Me DVD; that�s one movie I�m really interested in.
The Corporation sounds very interesting.

Anyone seen this one yet:
Orwell rolls in his grave
I'm fed up with political documentaries. I already know the world is f**ked up and don't want to be more paranoid about my future. I'll stick to the David Attenborough documentaries I grew up with.
They are all very reviling and interesting. You should automatically believe something just because it is in a Movie but those quotes coming out of Bush on camera is some of the most pathetic things I have ever seen.
"The Fog of War" -- autobiographical documentary on Macnamara (Sec. of Defense during Vietnam war). It's very dry. But I enjoyed hearing his point of view. It's a great look back.
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Originally posted by BasketofPuppies:
Somehow I doubt you're interested, but try Michael Moore Hates America to see that left wingers don't have a monopoly on "the truth".


I looked at the trailer and yeah, they're claiming to have "the truth" about Michael Moore. You know, I hate anyone who tries to tell me what to think.

I'll probably see Fahrenheit 9/11; I might see this movie (if it comes to DC). But I'll be damned if I let either one of these jokers tell me what "the truth" is.
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Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
They are all very reviling and interesting.


I found them interesting, but definitely not reviling.
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Originally posted by Axo1ot1:
I found them interesting, but definitely not reviling.


Ya, Bushes stupidity is rather in your face to begin with .
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Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
You should automatically believe something just because it is in a Movie...
Tell me you simply forgot to add "n't" to the end of "should".
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Originally posted by dcmacdaddy:
I'll probably see Fahrenheit 9/11; I might see this movie (if it comes to DC). But I'll be damned if I let either one of these jokers tell me what "the truth" is.
Which is why I put "the truth" in quotes.

Documentaries, especially the independent ones about politics, have become nothing but propaganda pieces in recent years. All they prove is that people believe what they want to hear.

Same thing goes for political books.
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Tell me you simply forgot to add "n't" to the end of "should".


I did, sorry.

You shouldN'T believe everything just because it is in a movie.
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Orignially posted by BasketofPuppies:
Documentaries, especially the independent ones about politics, have become nothing but propaganda pieces in recent years. All they prove is that people believe what they want to hear.

Same thing goes for political books.

Before recent years all examinations of policy were objective and had no world-view necessarily associated with them.
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Originally posted by Landos Mustache:
I did, sorry.

You shouldN'T believe everything just because it is in a movie.
Nah, don't worry about it.
Older documentary and not as political, but still worth checking out if you want more reality in your movies: Style Wars: made in 1983 about the hip-hop/graffiti scene in NYC.

I saw 911 and liked it, even if I didn't buy every idea Moore was trying to sell.
Here is something to read from the above mentioned documentary's website. By the way, the documentary was by Douglas Rushkoff. http://www.rushkoff.com/

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To give you a sense of some of the power these corporations wield, let me take you through just some of the holdings of News Corporation, for example.

This Australian-based transnational owns Fox Television, 20th Century Fox Films, Harper Collins Publishers. It's also the largest owner of newspapers in the world. Rupert Murdoch has Sky Television, which broadcasts the world over. And the list goes on and on.

This kind of range is unprecedented in the history of all the media industries. We now have all of our culture industries--from movies and TV and radio to music and book publishing and the web-- dominated by corporations that are all-powerful in all of those fields.

There's a handful of owners behind most of those products that you see at the newsstand or on cable or on the web. A handful of owners and the same commercial imperative at work, no matter where you turn. You talk about newspapers, magazines, movies, TV shows, radio. It's all alike, calculated to make as much money as possible as quickly as possible.

When you've got a few gigantic transnational corporations, each one loaded down with debt, competing madly for as much shelf space and brain space as they can take, they are going to do whatever they think works the fastest and with the most people, which means that they will drag standards down.

They're not going to be too nice about what they choose to do. They're gonna go directly for the 'please center.' They're gonna try to get you watching and buying right away. And what this means is that they are gonna do as much trash as they can because that will grab people. The word "trash" is old-fashioned, because this is a state of the art, highly sophisticated venture that we're talking about. They're using all the most brilliant means of measurement and surveillance to figure out what we're all about. They focus group everything a million ways. -Mark Crispin Miller
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Originally posted by Landos Mustache:
Ya, Bushes stupidity is rather in your face to begin with.


That wasn't his stupidity.
Thanks for the reviews. All of those are on my list to see.
OMG The Corporation I've so got to see it.

Fahrenheit 9/11 too (I've tried to get in two times but the theater was full )
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Originally posted by Zimphire:
That wasn't his stupidity.


You're right. It was the faux bubba he uses to make himself seem folksy and thereby disguise his true origin as a new england elitist.
maybe the popularity of them are due to the raise of reality tv.

out of those the corporation was great and the fog of war was excellent. f9/11 was good but just entertainment, mostly factual (those damn people looking over and over that film to find flawless and pop his bubble) yes but I hope it makes people want to actually know what's going on and not just tell them what's happening. Yes get him out of office but hopefully it opens enough eyes to not let it happen again.
Besides Merchants of Cool, most of the Frontline shows are worth a look at too.
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Originally posted by Truepop:
f9/11 was good but just entertainment, mostly factual (those damn people looking over and over that film to find flawless and pop his bubble) yes but I hope it makes people want to actually know what's going on and not just tell them what's happening. Yes get him out of office but hopefully it opens enough eyes to not let it happen again.


Word. I wasn't the first to say it, but why are people holding Michael Moore to a higher standard of truth than George "Appointed President of the U.S.A." Bush? Even if 10% of the points that Moore presents in his film as fact are false, the other 90% are more than enough to make clear what a terrible, incompetent, radical, and deceitful administration we have in this countries executive office. Even if Moore takes some artistic license with the conclusions he draws the facts speak for themselves. Period.
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Originally posted by Truepop:
mostly factual

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Originally posted by Axo1ot1:
Even if Moore takes some artistic license with the conclusions he draws the facts speak for themselves. Period.


AKA "I don't care if he is lying, he is making bad comments about Bush, and that is ok."
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