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The Mac vs. PC post to end all Mac vs. PC posts
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Originally posted by waxcrash: tavilach - you are in ignorant fool. Hate to break it to you, but there is one invention that has changed society even more than computers. It is called THE PRINTING PRESS and was invented by Johann Gutenberg in 1450. |
Oh God. What is it with Mac users and MS? The mere mention of MS brings out the paranoid mac kid, whose sole purpose in life seems to be threatened if MS so much as blinks.
Have a trawl through about 6 of the threads here in the lounge about MS, and you'll see what I mean.
Mac users hate MS? Hardly. A number of MacNN readers hate MS? Sounds like it.
Fact is, for me and millions others, Apple makes a nice OS, some nice hardware but that's the extent of it. Does it do everything I need? God no.
Have a trawl through about 6 of the threads here in the lounge about MS, and you'll see what I mean.
Mac users hate MS? Hardly. A number of MacNN readers hate MS? Sounds like it.
Fact is, for me and millions others, Apple makes a nice OS, some nice hardware but that's the extent of it. Does it do everything I need? God no.
I know of a big company that is testing a plan to move away from Windows computers for certain employees. The thought is that a Linux PC would be cheaper than a Windows PC and provide the same functionality for employees who use their box for reference and simple form-based interaction. If you don't need much, open-source is enough. These people are doing 90% of their work in a browser anyway....and the other 10% can be moved to something browser-based or *nix based at a reasonable development cost compared to licensing savings.
Their motivation is cost. I know apple makes great hardware. I think their OS is top-notch....but comparing the cost of a low-end OSX setup to that of a low-end Linux setup leaves Apple in the dust. If these were power users who would be doing a lot with their boxes then maybe it would be more complicated, but the vast majority of people who work with computers aren't using their boxes that way. If Microsoft has anything to worry about, it is that many large companies will start moving to Open Source or Thin Clients for employees with jobs that have simple IT requirements.
I don't see Apple moving in on the potential market that Linux is moving in on unless they make their OS free and platform-independant (Read: NEVER). Doing so woulf be suicide for the company since their hardware, while top-notch, is often overpriced compared to more generic equipment that businesses tend to go for. Consider supply problems in addition to cost concerns, and Apple really starts to look unattractive to large institutional buyers.
Their motivation is cost. I know apple makes great hardware. I think their OS is top-notch....but comparing the cost of a low-end OSX setup to that of a low-end Linux setup leaves Apple in the dust. If these were power users who would be doing a lot with their boxes then maybe it would be more complicated, but the vast majority of people who work with computers aren't using their boxes that way. If Microsoft has anything to worry about, it is that many large companies will start moving to Open Source or Thin Clients for employees with jobs that have simple IT requirements.
I don't see Apple moving in on the potential market that Linux is moving in on unless they make their OS free and platform-independant (Read: NEVER). Doing so woulf be suicide for the company since their hardware, while top-notch, is often overpriced compared to more generic equipment that businesses tend to go for. Consider supply problems in addition to cost concerns, and Apple really starts to look unattractive to large institutional buyers.
Not all Mac users hate Microsoft; I, for one, will use the best tool for the job, no matter who makes it. I like MS Word a lot and I use it regularly.
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Originally posted by EMC: Mac users are die hard fans who hate everything Microsoft. The rest of the world just looks at the Mac fans like they're a bunch of nutjobs. And then Mac fans get so defensive... You can view the problem in any way you want, but you have to realize that this stupid battle is finally nearing an end. Everything must be viewed in a somewhat larger time frame. 50 years ago, MacDonald's was a single burger joint in southern california serving great quality burgers at a reasonable price. Now they're a huge global presence selling burgers even cheaper that are full of low quality beef, soy beans, and artificial flavoring. In another 50 years they'll probably have filed chapter 11 all the time wondering what went wrong. Basically, if you lower quality you will be replaced by smarter competitors. What does microsoft actually have? They sell an operating system. It's not particularly special. Apple sells one. Linux is a free one. They all work. Only linux is free, OS X is $99, and Windows $300. 10 years from now no one will pay for an operating system anymore than they pay for a web browser now. Free software is becoming as good as commercial grade stuff. At best I predict people might get away with selling a GUI which runs on top of the operating system. At anyrate binary distributions will be a thing of the past. Next Microsoft has Office! ooohhhh ahhhh. Word is a damn text editor. OpenOffice is almost equally as good but it's not $300. How will microsoft make a better word to keep competitive? Add more stupid animations in the corner? Even today many corporations are making the switch to linux. You just can't beat free, (or at least real cheap. ie. Red Hat Enterprise) Even apple will have to eventually bite the bullet and sent it's operating system the way of quicktime and iTunes. All-platform free software thats sets people up to buy their hardware(iPods) and download their msuic at cost. Microsoft is not a sustainable business. They will have to continually lower prices to fend off free software which will inevitably lead to layoffs and scandals. Apple sells some great hardware. They even have a top-rate operating system. Mark my words though. by 2014, apple's operating system will be free and cross platform, and they will still be a force in computing hardware. Microsoft will be in dire straits, and most software will be released as encrypted source code to be build during installation rather than have these inane binary distributions. So stop your yacking and watch the show. |
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Originally posted by EMC: Only linux is free, OS X is $99, and Windows $300. 10 years from now no one will pay for an operating system anymore than they pay for a web browser now. |
I pay for my web browser now.
Stupidest troll ever.
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Originally posted by waxcrash: tavilach - you are in ignorant fool. Hate to break it to you, but there is one invention that has changed society even more than computers. It is called THE PRINTING PRESS and was invented by Johann Gutenberg in 1450. |
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Originally posted by tavilach: In 1492, Columbus sailed the ocean blue  . That's not between 1300 and 1400, or 1500 and 1600 . As for gun powder, it was discovered in China in the 9th century. Ocean travel was invented thousands of years ago...Oh, I see what you mean. Things that were invented between one century and another (i.e. everything...). Eh, you're right. There are probably a lot of very important things that were also invented between 1300 and 1400, and 1500 and 1600. Still, note how there are so many important things, constantly invented. In 100 years, there will be something else...and it could easily have nothing to do with computing. As for the mathematical stuff...well, when I say computing, I'm basically talking about the modern applications of computing. In other words...the internet, word processing...you know? Hehe, I'm kind of tired, and have been tired for hours. Stuff is coming out of my behind, at a great speed than normal. Tralala... |
I certainly agree that Gutenberg's printing press was far more revolutionary than computing. He transformed society from a large, ignorant mass to an educated group of people. Essentially, he invented the spread of knowledge. I'm no fool...I know about Gutenberg's printing press. It simply didn't occur to me. In other words, I made a stupid mistake, because I was tired. That does not make me an ignorant fool, and I resent being called that.
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Who cares what one person calls you... or your ideas... it's the internet. "T" your being pulled around in a leash, pulled by your own insecurities.
And for the record, Mac's rock. (period)... but they stand to use some more innovations.
*pokes thread* I'm too lazy to go find my password for link.. so I post here, admittedly I have the time to waste right now 
I use what works best for me. Since I'm cheap, and like to save as much money as I can for hardware upgrades or really good programs, I use as much freeware as I possibly can.
Stuff like camino, xchat aqua, itunes, adium, pretty much any unix app, openoffice, textedit, stuff like that.. even down to emulation. There's two reasons for this.. first off the people who program free apps typically put work into them for the pleasure of being known for their efforts or just for the sake of making the program good, whereas shareware/commercialware developers work for money and nothing else much of the time.
Sometimes there's an exception, stuff like transmit and postfix enabler, that really just get the job done and done well.
I use what works best for me. Since I'm cheap, and like to save as much money as I can for hardware upgrades or really good programs, I use as much freeware as I possibly can.
Stuff like camino, xchat aqua, itunes, adium, pretty much any unix app, openoffice, textedit, stuff like that.. even down to emulation. There's two reasons for this.. first off the people who program free apps typically put work into them for the pleasure of being known for their efforts or just for the sake of making the program good, whereas shareware/commercialware developers work for money and nothing else much of the time.
Sometimes there's an exception, stuff like transmit and postfix enabler, that really just get the job done and done well.
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Originally posted by tavilach: In 1492, Columbus sailed the ocean blue . That's not between 1300 and 1400, or 1500 and 1600 . As for gun powder, it was discovered in China in the 9th century. Ocean travel was invented thousands of years ago...
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Better yet, the Norse beat Columbus by about 500 years.
But no one believed them, so it doesn't count.
Course, Chris thought he was in India and it wasn't until years later that other people realized that it wasn't India (and even then Columbus continued to insist that he found a new way to get to China and India), so he doesn't count either.
Course, Chris thought he was in India and it wasn't until years later that other people realized that it wasn't India (and even then Columbus continued to insist that he found a new way to get to China and India), so he doesn't count either.
-t