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Adobe initiates Activation for Creative Suite 2
· Troubleshooting · 50 posts · Apr 4, 2005 — Apr 11, 2005 View original thread ↗
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Originally posted by Superchicken:
Again I cracked a copy of Fireworks I paid for. Because the activation got in the way. All I had to do was download a serial that, I don't understand how the heck putting in a single serial cracks it but I don't care if that's all I have to do to make sure I don't have to talk to that obnoxious woman I talked to before. I see absolutely no problem with using a crack on Software that I paid 150 dollars for, simply because my Logic board died.


As I do agree with you on this point, you have to be aware that such a justification would not be well received in court as it has no legal validity. You gave your agreement to the Software License before using the programm, and you are breaking it if you do not respect the conditions described in the License...
I guess we will feel "trapped" by even more EULAs in the future, as nbody reads them although they become always strictier.
i'll just wait until cs2 comes out, and find a cheap copy of CS on ebay or something.
adobe have said that (of course) they know students copy their programs and they dont actually care a whole lot. because they know that when the student enters the professional workforce, they will buy their product as thats what they have learnt on. using "stolen" software from the net or friends is all good and fine for educational purposes, but once you start profiting off using shared software then that has crossed the line.....
With all due respect, I'd like to point out some inaccuracies here.

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Originally posted by kilechki:
…you have to be aware that such a justification would not be well received in court as it has no legal validity.


What has court to do with any of this? You can't be taken to court for cracking your software.

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You gave your agreement to the Software License before using the programm


He didn't agree to it before buying the program. Shrink-wrap "license agreements" are neither licenses nor agreements and have no legal standing. A court in California just confirmed this in a fairly high-profile case.

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I guess we will feel "trapped" by even more EULAs in the future, as nbody reads them although they become always strictier.


You're not trapped by them because they don't amount to anything. If I put a note on your car door that said by removing the note and opening your door, you'd have to agree to my silly terms, would it be a valid contract? Of course not.

EULAs also violate the right of first sale, which is a long-standing recognized legal principle (not to mention plain common sense). Once you've sold someone something, you can no longer tell the buyer what to do with it.

Cheer up! You're a human being, not a corporate slave, and you have more freedoms than you realize!


¡Mil milliones rayos y truenos!

You speak the truth CaptainHaddock
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Originally posted by CaptainHaddock:
I vote for Omni or Panic to develop one! After all, almost all the filters Photoshop currently does can be handled directly with Tiger's new APIs. Some of Gimp's code could probably be used too. The tough part would be implementing colour management and support for all those file formats (including RAW). Add something cool that Photoshop doesn't have, and you've got a killer app.

I'll bet Omni or Panic could do it inside of a year. I'd be first in line to buy it!



i've heard this so many times. "i cant wait for the photoshop clones when Tiger ships!"

yeah, because that is all photoshop is, a bunch of filters.

i guess to some, it is...


like i said before, $149 for a new photoshop is nothing! especially when you use it every day to pay for basically all your expenses

i expected activation to be in the last version of photoshop.
Final Draft has needed activation for over 5 years now. I've had versions 4,5,6 and now 7. The software has hardly improved much and even worse the current version kept losing activation requiring me to call support for $1 a minute. I said **** it and downloaded an activation crack. I don't care what anyone says but I'm cracking software I paid for if the developers can't get it right. My serial number stays the same after the crack.
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Originally posted by demograph68:
None of the new features are relevant to me. I personally feel like Adobe is making their software more complicated actually with the way they are trying to bring the apps together into one package. But regarding the activation thing, someone will hopefully create a krack for it.


Adobe has been on a downhill slide for years now. At some point they seem to have made the decision that their future revenue would come from pushing new releases on people rather than adding features which users actually ask for.
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Originally posted by Don Pickett:
Adobe has been on a downhill slide for years now.


What are you smoking?
Glad I switched to The GIMP a long time ago.
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Originally posted by CaptainHaddock:
What has court to do with any of this? You can't be taken to court for cracking your software.


Of course you can. If you have bought a monthly travelcard for public transportation and do not get your ticket checked properly for whatever reason, you might get a fine if a controller passes by. Your travelcard's conditions of use are not an option : they describe the only legal way to use it.

That is about the same thing for software : there might be nobody in the area that catches you, but that does not mean that what you are doing is legal.
An EULA gives you the right to *use* a software following the conditions you have agreed to be bound to when purchasing it and then accepting its licence agreement. If you do not use your software regularly and if someone suits you (for whatever reason), you will see that EULAs have much more signification than notes put on a car door...

Saying that is not being a "corporate slave". I find it important to know what you risk and to be aware of it. With such points as :
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He didn't agree to it before buying the program. Shrink-wrap "license agreements" are neither licenses nor agreements and have no legal standing. A court in California just confirmed this in a fairly high-profile case.
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You're not trapped by them because they don't amount to anything. If I put a note on your car door that said by removing the note and opening your door, you'd have to agree to my silly terms, would it be a valid contract? Of course not.


you only mislead people in letting them think that EULAs are "paper tigers" that have no legal validity. In the US as in the EU, EULAs forbid any modification to the code and any misuse of the identity of the owner.

This has little importance for the regular Joe that cracks software at home for its personal use. It is, however, of highest importance for anyone doing business with the software he uses. More and more legal actions are made against those kind of users, and some people find out much too late that they can go to jail for having thought that they had more rights on the software they purchased than the vendor himself....

Edit: that was it, thanks to oneota.
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Originally posted by wataru:
Glad I switched to The GIMP a long time ago.


Does the GIMP do this?



I don't see anyone catching up with Adobe any time soon.
Probably not, but I never said it could. It fits my needs, and it probably fits the needs of the kind of person who'd casually pirate Photoshop.
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Originally posted by moonmonkey:
Does the GIMP do this?



I don't see anyone catching up with Adobe any time soon.

A professional would use a 3D application for this. If you look good the tower looks horrible.
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Originally posted by kilechki:
Long message with previously F***ed up formatting


Ahh...thanks for fixing that. Much easier to read now.
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Originally posted by kilechki:
you only mislead people in letting them think that EULAs are "paper tigers" that have no legal validity. In the US as in the EU, EULAs forbid any modification to the code and any misuse of the identity of the owner.

This has little importance for the regular Joe that cracks software at home for its personal use. It is, however, of highest importance for anyone doing business with the software he uses. More and more legal actions are made against those kind of users, and some people find out much too late that they can go to jail for having thought that they had more rights on the software they purchased than the vendor himself....

Except, of course, that a court's decision has a lot more legal weight than Kilechki's Post On The MacNN Forums.
You've had to "Activate" the last two versions of Photoshop on the PC, so what's the big deal? Mac users are supposed to be above this...?
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Originally posted by sieb:
You've had to "Activate" the last two versions of Photoshop on the PC, so what's the big deal? Mac users are supposed to be above this...?

Yes, mac users are somewhat different. They generally have more money to spend, buy more software and music and demand higher standard of application quality.
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Originally posted by Randman:
What are you smoking?


Nothing. I make my living with Adobe apps, and have a legit install of the full CS suite on my home machine. But it's been a long time since Adobe had a release devoid of significant bugs, and I mean big enough to screw up a job. In the mean time, the apps have gotten more and more bloated. Up through Photoshop 6 and Illustrator 5, Adobe wrote good, fast apps. Not so much anymore. It is common practice at any production/pre-press house to wait six months or so after an Illustrator release before upgrading everyone so that other people can gineau pig it for you, lest some undocumented change in the color or printing engine bring your workflow to a halt.

Anyway, just my two cents. Adobe is becoming more and more like MS every day.
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Originally posted by sieb:
You've had to "Activate" the last two versions of Photoshop on the PC, so what's the big deal? Mac users are supposed to be above this...?

Not only are we supposed to be, we are.
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