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I thought it might come in handy in the future to have all the info about XPostFacto in one place on here, so I've copied across the info that I also posted on the PPCMLA - there was quite a lot of useful info in the topics that were previously on here where I discussed my problems in getting it to work, which has now been lost. I therefore did this quick guide to using XPostFacto to get a reference topic on the subject started, as some of the things that I learned from the experience are not that easy to find/obvious otherwise.
I hope it's OK to re-post here what I posted on the PPCMLA, I just thought it would be useful to have it on both sites - if this isn't wanted here for any reason then of course feel free to delete it. Alternatively, if it is appropriate, then any additional hints/tips that you might have to share can of course be posted.
Just my contribution to rebuilding the knowledge of the 68kmla
I don't need the info now as I got it sorted in the end, but I expect someone else will want it at some stage!
-Check on the XPostFacto site that your target Mac is compatible with OS X, and which versions it can run. It is needed for OS X 10.4 onwards on iMacs/iBooks/PowerBook G3s that lack FireWire, 10.3 onwards on Beige G3s/PowerBook G3s lacking built-in USB (except original PB G3), and any version of OS X on pre-G3 Macs and original PB G3.
-Ensure that you have a few GBs of free hard drive space and a decent amount of Ram for good performance under OS X - 256 MB is good, 512+ is great. Also make sure you have a separate graphics card installed if you're using a Beige G3 (and possibly earlier Macs too) with Panther or Tiger - the onboard video is hard to get working and will give poor performance in OS X anyway. Graphics cards must be specific Mac versions of the card.
-Get a copy of OS X - newer versions of OS X are generally better as they are more optimised so will run faster, so use Panther or Tiger if possible.
-Format all of your partitions with Mac OS 9.2's Drive Setup
-Install Mac OS 9.2.2. Any version of OS 9.x can be updated to 9.2.2 and should be for best compatibility with OS X’s Classic Mode. Update path is 9.0 > 9.1 > 9.2.1 > 9.2.2; you will need to download and install of the relevant updaters. Pre-G3 Macs require the utility OS 9 Helper to install OS 9 revisions greater than 9.1; leave it at 9.1 if you can’t be bothered with that.
-Install available firmware updates for your Mac, if applicable (iMacs/iBooks only)
-Check that your Mac's PRAM battery is working - unplug it from the power, leave for a minute or so, then plug it back in and see if it has remembered the time/date settings. If it's reverted to a year in the past, you may be able to avoid problems later on by getting a new battery for it, although you may be able to get away with a dead one.
-Insert the first install CD for Mac OS X
-Install XPostFacto and launch it
-Select your Mac OS X install CD and the target partition for installing OS X - target partition should be less than 8 GB in size (if using a Beige G3; not sure about other models), and should be the first partition on the first IDE bus (for IDE Macs).
-Click the button to restart and begin the installation - the Mac will now restart and hopefully begin booting off the CD. It will be in verbose mode so you will see lots of Unix-y text. If it doesn't boot, try using the stock Apple CD-ROM drive if using a non-Apple logoed one.
-The Mac OS X installer should start. Select your language and click the arrow to continue.
-If you now get a message saying your Mac is not compatible with Mac OS X, or if you can't boot at all, switch it off and remove all PCI cards except the video card (where needed). If that doesn't work try taking it down to one hard drive and the optical drive, preferably on separate buses (if using an IDE Mac). If that still doesn't work, try swapping around the Ram, try booting OS X with just one Ram chip, if that doesn't work try another chip etc.
-OS X installation should eventually get under way. Be sure to select the option to customise the installationm and deselect all of the languages and printer drivers that you don't need. It will install a base system and then reboot into the second part of Setup, assuming you're using Tiger; I think the older versions install everything and then reboot to complete. Either way, you'll now be booting the OS X installation on your hard drive for the first time.
If it boots to a Happy Mac or OS 9-style grey screen and then hangs, restart and hold down Apple+Option+P+R straight away, and keep it down until it chimes again, to zap the PRAM. If you still have problems booting, including reaching an open firmware prompt upon booting, especially if you changed your hardware around in order to get the installation going, switch off and locate the CUDA reset switch inside the Mac (the relevant Apple service manual should tell you where it is). I just pressed and released it, which is what Apple say, but some people say to holdit for up to 30 seconds. Don't press it more than once in between restarts though.
If it starts booting with the grey Apple logo but then produces a kernel panic, check that your drives all have the correct jumper settings and are not corrupt/dodgy etc. If they are fine, boot back into OS 9 (hold down Option key at startup until you see the Happy Mac), navigate to /System/Library/Extensions/ on the drive that you're installing OS X on, and delete the file BootCache.kext. Open the XPostFacto utility, select your OS X hard drive, and click restart.
If you still can't boot from the hard drive, this advice may help you.
-Hopefully the second stage of OS X installation will now get under way (assuming you're using Tiger - if not, you will probably be booting into the Setup Assistant now).
If at any point you get a message saying "there were errors installing the software, please try again", in the Window menu open the Installer Log. If it mentions errors installing files and you are using the stock Apple CD-ROM drive and CD-R/RW OS X discs, try swapping with an optical drive that can burn discs as these are more reliable at reading burned discs. For the second stage of Setup one that can't boot a Mac should be OK as it's booting from the HD at this stage; if the errors occur in the first stage you'll need a bootable one (non-Apple logoed Sony ones are likely candidates).
-Once it's finished installing you'll get an oh-so-cool intro video, and you're pretty much done
Just run through the Setup Assistant, ensuring that you're not connected to the internet if you want to avoid giving Apple your personal details, then once you're in OS X use Software Update to update the OS.
-Your Mac should now boot into OS X by default, and if you want OS 9 you just hold the Option key when starting up until the Happy Mac appears.
Have fun
-Additional note: some software now refuses to install on G3s, even though it can run fine on them. Examples are iWork '06, iWeb '06 and iPhoto '06. To get it to install, simply copy the installer files to a writable location, Ctrl+click on the package and select the option to view its contents, and look for the Distribution package inside (has a .dist extension). Open it up in TextEdit and delete the bit of code that looks something like
Delete down to and including the } symbol, and leave one blank line between the code block above the bit you just deleted and the one below. Save the file and try installing again, and it should now install. This won't work for software that has had the non-AltiVec code stripped out of it, such as the other bits of iLife '06 apart from those mentioned above or newer versions of Roxio Toast.
I hope it's OK to re-post here what I posted on the PPCMLA, I just thought it would be useful to have it on both sites - if this isn't wanted here for any reason then of course feel free to delete it. Alternatively, if it is appropriate, then any additional hints/tips that you might have to share can of course be posted.
Just my contribution to rebuilding the knowledge of the 68kmla
I don't need the info now as I got it sorted in the end, but I expect someone else will want it at some stage!-Check on the XPostFacto site that your target Mac is compatible with OS X, and which versions it can run. It is needed for OS X 10.4 onwards on iMacs/iBooks/PowerBook G3s that lack FireWire, 10.3 onwards on Beige G3s/PowerBook G3s lacking built-in USB (except original PB G3), and any version of OS X on pre-G3 Macs and original PB G3.
-Ensure that you have a few GBs of free hard drive space and a decent amount of Ram for good performance under OS X - 256 MB is good, 512+ is great. Also make sure you have a separate graphics card installed if you're using a Beige G3 (and possibly earlier Macs too) with Panther or Tiger - the onboard video is hard to get working and will give poor performance in OS X anyway. Graphics cards must be specific Mac versions of the card.
-Get a copy of OS X - newer versions of OS X are generally better as they are more optimised so will run faster, so use Panther or Tiger if possible.
-Format all of your partitions with Mac OS 9.2's Drive Setup
-Install Mac OS 9.2.2. Any version of OS 9.x can be updated to 9.2.2 and should be for best compatibility with OS X’s Classic Mode. Update path is 9.0 > 9.1 > 9.2.1 > 9.2.2; you will need to download and install of the relevant updaters. Pre-G3 Macs require the utility OS 9 Helper to install OS 9 revisions greater than 9.1; leave it at 9.1 if you can’t be bothered with that.
-Install available firmware updates for your Mac, if applicable (iMacs/iBooks only)
-Check that your Mac's PRAM battery is working - unplug it from the power, leave for a minute or so, then plug it back in and see if it has remembered the time/date settings. If it's reverted to a year in the past, you may be able to avoid problems later on by getting a new battery for it, although you may be able to get away with a dead one.
-Insert the first install CD for Mac OS X
-Install XPostFacto and launch it
-Select your Mac OS X install CD and the target partition for installing OS X - target partition should be less than 8 GB in size (if using a Beige G3; not sure about other models), and should be the first partition on the first IDE bus (for IDE Macs).
-Click the button to restart and begin the installation - the Mac will now restart and hopefully begin booting off the CD. It will be in verbose mode so you will see lots of Unix-y text. If it doesn't boot, try using the stock Apple CD-ROM drive if using a non-Apple logoed one.
-The Mac OS X installer should start. Select your language and click the arrow to continue.
-If you now get a message saying your Mac is not compatible with Mac OS X, or if you can't boot at all, switch it off and remove all PCI cards except the video card (where needed). If that doesn't work try taking it down to one hard drive and the optical drive, preferably on separate buses (if using an IDE Mac). If that still doesn't work, try swapping around the Ram, try booting OS X with just one Ram chip, if that doesn't work try another chip etc.
-OS X installation should eventually get under way. Be sure to select the option to customise the installationm and deselect all of the languages and printer drivers that you don't need. It will install a base system and then reboot into the second part of Setup, assuming you're using Tiger; I think the older versions install everything and then reboot to complete. Either way, you'll now be booting the OS X installation on your hard drive for the first time.
If it boots to a Happy Mac or OS 9-style grey screen and then hangs, restart and hold down Apple+Option+P+R straight away, and keep it down until it chimes again, to zap the PRAM. If you still have problems booting, including reaching an open firmware prompt upon booting, especially if you changed your hardware around in order to get the installation going, switch off and locate the CUDA reset switch inside the Mac (the relevant Apple service manual should tell you where it is). I just pressed and released it, which is what Apple say, but some people say to holdit for up to 30 seconds. Don't press it more than once in between restarts though.
If it starts booting with the grey Apple logo but then produces a kernel panic, check that your drives all have the correct jumper settings and are not corrupt/dodgy etc. If they are fine, boot back into OS 9 (hold down Option key at startup until you see the Happy Mac), navigate to /System/Library/Extensions/ on the drive that you're installing OS X on, and delete the file BootCache.kext. Open the XPostFacto utility, select your OS X hard drive, and click restart.
If you still can't boot from the hard drive, this advice may help you.
-Hopefully the second stage of OS X installation will now get under way (assuming you're using Tiger - if not, you will probably be booting into the Setup Assistant now).
If at any point you get a message saying "there were errors installing the software, please try again", in the Window menu open the Installer Log. If it mentions errors installing files and you are using the stock Apple CD-ROM drive and CD-R/RW OS X discs, try swapping with an optical drive that can burn discs as these are more reliable at reading burned discs. For the second stage of Setup one that can't boot a Mac should be OK as it's booting from the HD at this stage; if the errors occur in the first stage you'll need a bootable one (non-Apple logoed Sony ones are likely candidates).
-Once it's finished installing you'll get an oh-so-cool intro video, and you're pretty much done
Just run through the Setup Assistant, ensuring that you're not connected to the internet if you want to avoid giving Apple your personal details, then once you're in OS X use Software Update to update the OS.-Your Mac should now boot into OS X by default, and if you want OS 9 you just hold the Option key when starting up until the Happy Mac appears.
Have fun
-Additional note: some software now refuses to install on G3s, even though it can run fine on them. Examples are iWork '06, iWeb '06 and iPhoto '06. To get it to install, simply copy the installer files to a writable location, Ctrl+click on the package and select the option to view its contents, and look for the Distribution package inside (has a .dist extension). Open it up in TextEdit and delete the bit of code that looks something like
Code:
// Rule out insufficient hardware if ( !hasAcceptableHardware() )
{
my.result.title = system.localizedString(’TITLE_INCOMPATHW’); my.result.message = system.localizedString(’ERROR_INCOMPATHW’); my.result.type = ‘Fatal’; return false;
}
you can see mine @:
http://coius.dyndns.org:10455/coius/FireWire_Booting.html
I did it with OS X on the internal drive, and it's more for picky FW Cards and FW Cases.
My case would boot with a new machine, but it depended on the FireWire cable as to whether it would boot. On the older machines, it wouldn't boot unless you started on a minimal OS X and used the OS X internal as the Helper drive. Works better than using OS 9 for the helper.
http://coius.dyndns.org:10455/coius/FireWire_Booting.html
I did it with OS X on the internal drive, and it's more for picky FW Cards and FW Cases.
My case would boot with a new machine, but it depended on the FireWire cable as to whether it would boot. On the older machines, it wouldn't boot unless you started on a minimal OS X and used the OS X internal as the Helper drive. Works better than using OS 9 for the helper.
when i get anon nubus power pc with a G3 card ill try xpostfacto
what you expect me to use X with out a G3 ?
i am not that much of a masochist
using classic is already torture enough
what you expect me to use X with out a G3 ?
i am not that much of a masochist
using classic is already torture enough
Mac OS X can run on a 603 or 604, but only with XPostFacto and nothing later than 10.1. The real killer of this attempt would be the NuBus architecture. Mac OS X won't boot on it as it only supports PCI PowerMacs.
You can however boot Mac OS X on a G3-upgrade PCI PowerMac with XPostFacto.
You can however boot Mac OS X on a G3-upgrade PCI PowerMac with XPostFacto.
oh i know that
i just dont like anything below os X
which wil most likley make me a odd member around here
i wil use os 9 and lower if i absolutley have to but if i can avoid it then i wil gladly do so
i just dont like anything below os X
which wil most likley make me a odd member around here
i wil use os 9 and lower if i absolutley have to but if i can avoid it then i wil gladly do so
You may be able to install a version of Linux on a machine if it won't take OS X. I can't give much advice there unfortunately, but some of us around here should know how to install it.
Correction: Mac OS X 10.2.x will run on a 603* or 604*. Mac OS X (all versions) will not boot on NuBus Macs not only because they are NuBus, but also because they have the PowerPC 601 CPU. Notably, Mac OS X will not run on a 7200 or 7500/100.
Peace,
Drew
Peace,
Drew
i have messed around with ubuntu xubuntu kubuntu and knoppix
i cant really say i liked any of them
os X is th one for me
a G3 for me really is the cut off point but i cant resist at times
i cant really say i liked any of them
os X is th one for me
a G3 for me really is the cut off point but i cant resist at times
i managed to get mac os 10.1 to install on my c500 before, but not 10.2. and it did not see my G3 Upgrade, but it was cool to be able to say tht i did that!
Heh, it'll run on my 7500/100. I got a Daystar 604e 180MP CPU card.Correction: Mac OS X 10.2.x will run on a 603* or 604*. Mac OS X (all versions) will not boot on NuBus Macs not only because they are NuBus, but also because they have the PowerPC 601 CPU. Notably, Mac OS X will not run on a 7200 or 7500/100.
Peace,
Drew
Was the G3 upgrade the L2 slot one? Otherwise, if it's the fabled ZIF replacement CPU for the C500/C600, that would be pretty similar to running OS X on a beige G3, and the G3 upgarde should just work.i managed to get mac os 10.1 to install on my c500 before, but not 10.2. and it did not see my G3 Upgrade, but it was cool to be able to say tht i did that!
Peace,
Drew
nah, it wasnt, is was the l2 cache one. wait, they made a g3 upgrade for the zif slot?!
The original Beige G3 CPU was a ZIF. I'm not sure if it's compatible with the C500/600 though.
There were, but they are exceedingly rare.
One was made by MacTell, and there may have been another made by NewerTech.
The cards are not compatible with the beige G3. Despite being ZIF sockets, they use distinctly different designs. One card won't even fit into the other. Beyond that, there might be some electrical differences.
Peace,
Drew
One was made by MacTell, and there may have been another made by NewerTech.
The cards are not compatible with the beige G3. Despite being ZIF sockets, they use distinctly different designs. One card won't even fit into the other. Beyond that, there might be some electrical differences.
Peace,
Drew
Ah, didn't know they were different in terms of pins and voltage.
Sorry to be a bit on-topic here but... this question was never satifactorily answered.
When you're installing OS X on to a 604 mac, how the hell are you supposed to do it? Every time I tried, I get to the installing stage and my 9500 would try to boot from the OS X installer CD, which of course it can't because OS X wont boot up a 9500!
Am I missing some vital step here? I do recall following the instructions and they tend to just skip this bit.
Just so you don't think I'm hopeless, the installation worked perfectly on a Powerbook G3/333.
When you're installing OS X on to a 604 mac, how the hell are you supposed to do it? Every time I tried, I get to the installing stage and my 9500 would try to boot from the OS X installer CD, which of course it can't because OS X wont boot up a 9500!
Am I missing some vital step here? I do recall following the instructions and they tend to just skip this bit.
Just so you don't think I'm hopeless, the installation worked perfectly on a Powerbook G3/333.
XPostFacto should enable the machine to boot and install OS X - what happens when you click Restart in XPostFacto? Does it attempt to boot X and crash, or does it just boot straight back into OS 9?
What version of OS X are you using? Presumably Tiger, seeing as that's the only version that you'd need XPostFacto to install on the 333 MHz PowerBook?
What version of OS X are you using? Presumably Tiger, seeing as that's the only version that you'd need XPostFacto to install on the 333 MHz PowerBook?
I thought the 603 and 604 could run 10.2?Mac OS X can run on a 603 or 604, but only with XPostFacto and nothing later than 10.1. The real killer of this attempt would be the NuBus architecture. Mac OS X won't boot on it as it only supports PCI PowerMacs.
You can however boot Mac OS X on a G3-upgrade PCI PowerMac with XPostFacto.
"The 603 and 604 processors work with Mac OS X 10.0 through 10.2 (i.e. not 10.3 or later)."
From OWC's Xpostfacto page.
http://eshop.macsales.com/OSXCenter/XPostFacto/Framework.cfm?page=Compatibility.html
Ah, well I guess that would be why it's not working on this 9500 if Panther/Tiger don't work on anything less than a G3? I thought I had heard of 9600s and things like that running the latest versions, but maybe I was wrong, or maybe they had a G3 card and you can do it with that.
Which question is that, exactly?this question was never satifactorily answered.
Well, yes, you are missing something. The 9500 cannot boot OS X without assistance. So if you just put the OS X install CD (assuming it's not for Rhapsody or OS X Server 1.x), you can't boot from it. However, if you download XPostFacto, the XPF app places a few files on your hard drive that allow you to bypass the requirement for a G3 on most Macs. You can then boot OS X 10.0.x, 10.1.y, and 10.2.z on your 9500. But XPF is a requirement. For that matter, it is also a requirement for any flavor of OS X on anything prior to a genuine G3 even if you have upgraded to a G3 or G4 processor.When you're installing OS X on to a 604 mac, how the hell are you supposed to do it? Every time I tried, I get to the installing stage and my 9500 would try to boot from the OS X installer CD, which of course it can't because OS X wont boot up a 9500!Am I missing some vital step here? I do recall following the instructions and they tend to just skip this bit.
Just so you don't think I'm hopeless, the installation worked perfectly on a Powerbook G3/333.
Peace,
Drew
You can go farther than 10.2 with a G3 or G4 upgrade card with limitations found on the Xpostfacto site. There comes a point, though, where upgrading an old machine to stay current will cost more than just buying a newer machine. Unless you're the type who wants to do it just to say he did it and cost be damned, then you really should be looking for something newer.Ah, well I guess that would be why it's not working on this 9500 if Panther/Tiger don't work on anything less than a G3? I thought I had heard of 9600s and things like that running the latest versions, but maybe I was wrong, or maybe they had a G3 card and you can do it with that.
I installed Tiger on the PB333 and I tried installing 10.1 and 10.2 on the 9500. I go through all the steps. Then we need to get some OS X installed on the internal drive, right? How can i run the installer when the installer is an OS X native application?What version of OS X are you using? Presumably Tiger, seeing as that's the only version that you'd need XPostFacto to install on the 333 MHz PowerBook?
I just get the broken folder icon when the 9500 tries to boot off the OS X installer CD.
XPostFacto doesn't help to get any OS X executables off the CD on to the 9500's boot drive.
Am I going crazy? Am I supposed to create a special installer CD? Do i have to install OS X over a network or by removing hard drives? I don't understand how to get the OS X 10.1 or 2 non-working operating system on to the 9500 hard drive so that XPostFacto can patch it so it will then boot!
Afaik, XPostFacto should have an "Install from CD" option when the OS X CD is in the drive from Mac OS Classic. Using this tool should patch the boot drive prior to restarting to the installer.
The instructions in the first post in the thread should help - just download XPostFacto into OS9, run it, select both the partition that you want to install OS X to and the drive with the install CD in it, then click the button to restart the machine now - that causes it to install some kexts and a special BootX to the partition that you're going to be installing X on, which enable it to boot from the OS X CD.
this instruction on how to is really helpful to someone that don't know what to do.
i found out useing xpostfacto on my Beige G3 AIO to install tiger was not the only thing i had to do. after i got tiger installed i had to do 2 terminal commands cause of my onboard video would freak out when i was doing anything that would make the HDD work hard or use allot of memory.
here is the document that tells you the terminal commands.
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=25564
after i dod that i rebooted. i am glad i had a Radeon 7000 with a external monitor cause those terminal commands disabled my onboard video. so i went ahead and updated to the newest version of tiger which was 10.4.8 at the time and rebooted. the onboard video was not re enabled and never had it freak out and go black again.
but i have no choice but to use the onboard video (unless i want to do a hack that will allow me to hook the onboard monitor up to the Radeon 7000) but i like having a extended desktop now.
a Beige G3 is a bit more harder to get tiger installed on than any other Mac that i have seen. but now i know what to do to get tiger installed and working properly (as the onboard video hardware is concerned).
i looked in about this mac (apple system profiler) in the extension's and there is a few that xpostfacto install's before it boot's the installer.and a few of them are reporting a error and i will make a post about them and wont post about them here.
one more thing i was wanting to ask is that it seem's thet R.R. (the maker of xpostfacto) is nowhere to be found. the last post ever from him on the xpostfacto forums on OWC is in december 12 2005. it seem's he just stopped bothering with xpostfacto and went to other things. i wonder if there is anyo ther way to see if he is still around
i found out useing xpostfacto on my Beige G3 AIO to install tiger was not the only thing i had to do. after i got tiger installed i had to do 2 terminal commands cause of my onboard video would freak out when i was doing anything that would make the HDD work hard or use allot of memory.
here is the document that tells you the terminal commands.
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=25564
after i dod that i rebooted. i am glad i had a Radeon 7000 with a external monitor cause those terminal commands disabled my onboard video. so i went ahead and updated to the newest version of tiger which was 10.4.8 at the time and rebooted. the onboard video was not re enabled and never had it freak out and go black again.
but i have no choice but to use the onboard video (unless i want to do a hack that will allow me to hook the onboard monitor up to the Radeon 7000) but i like having a extended desktop now.
a Beige G3 is a bit more harder to get tiger installed on than any other Mac that i have seen. but now i know what to do to get tiger installed and working properly (as the onboard video hardware is concerned).
i looked in about this mac (apple system profiler) in the extension's and there is a few that xpostfacto install's before it boot's the installer.and a few of them are reporting a error and i will make a post about them and wont post about them here.
one more thing i was wanting to ask is that it seem's thet R.R. (the maker of xpostfacto) is nowhere to be found. the last post ever from him on the xpostfacto forums on OWC is in december 12 2005. it seem's he just stopped bothering with xpostfacto and went to other things. i wonder if there is anyo ther way to see if he is still around
A minimal install of Panther, for example will fit in ~1.3G, but you'll definitely want more than this, to have room in which to 'turn around' - e.g. do an 'archive and install'.all the info about XPostFacto in one place
-Ensure that you have a few GBs of free hard drive space ...
-If possible, have/use
... sometimesa separate graphics card installed if you're using a Beige G3 (and possibly earlier Macs too) with Panther or Tiger - the onboard video is
a dedicated video cardhard to get working and
Mac-specific versions of the card, or cards from PCs that have been flashed for use on a Mac.will give better performance in OS X anyway. Graphics cards must be
However, there are practical limits, and what's pretty isn't always practical: reach higher up the version scale only if your machine is well-tuned and amply fitted out.-Get a copy of OS X - newer versions of OS X are generally better as they are more optimised so will run faster, so use Panther or Tiger if possible.
previous century,...
-Check that your Mac's PRAM battery is working ... see if it has remembered the time/date settings. If it's reverted to a year in the
you may be able to avoid problems later on by getting a new battery for it...
i know that tiger on a stock Beige G3 even with Max ram will suffer running it.
now with a faster CPU, a Radeon or radeon 7000 , a faster HDD with new faster rated IDE cables tiger runs real nice. i run it on my AIO in my sig
now with a faster CPU, a Radeon or radeon 7000 , a faster HDD with new faster rated IDE cables tiger runs real nice. i run it on my AIO in my sig