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IRC Behavioural Issues.
it just needs more cowbell, imo.
Why the explanation? A mod woke up from his/her nap (or whatever) and seen BS going on in the channel, told people to stop and somebody didn't hence the ban.
What some people cannot understand is that you can have an excuse for everything you have done wrong in your life (valid or not) and it does not matter. You did something wrong (as many others do from time to time), but it was your turn to get busted for it. If 5 people are speeding down the highway and the cop pulls only you over do you think crying about how everybody else was breaking the law is going to get you out of the ticket? All I keep hearing is that "I did nothing wrong" while you explain what YOU DID WRONG. A simple yes I said it, I got busted for it, sorry would have been better. If the others keep doing the same old thing they will get banned too sooner or later.
What some people cannot understand is that you can have an excuse for everything you have done wrong in your life (valid or not) and it does not matter. You did something wrong (as many others do from time to time), but it was your turn to get busted for it. If 5 people are speeding down the highway and the cop pulls only you over do you think crying about how everybody else was breaking the law is going to get you out of the ticket? All I keep hearing is that "I did nothing wrong" while you explain what YOU DID WRONG. A simple yes I said it, I got busted for it, sorry would have been better. If the others keep doing the same old thing they will get banned too sooner or later.
I don't need or want an explanation as to why anything may have happened, MacTCP. The fact is that it did, you were misbehaving that day, and unlike Mr680x0 who at least waits an hour or more before misbehaving again, you continued right on with the misbehaving.
It's done, It's over, and quite honestly acting like that, I am not surprised people thought you were twelve.
A lot of people who can be relatively decent folk on the forum came to the IRC channel after one or the other forum crashes/outages, and haven't gone. A lot of the problems in the IRC are related to that, since a lot of our newest users who act the least appropriately are from that group.
It's not just that group though. There are users who are there that aren't from the forums, and those people seem to like causing some problems.
There aren't just "problem-causers" either, one of the main things I've seen is somebody will start something, and nearly everybody on the channel will join in, which causes a situation where "He was doing it too" would be what I'd receive in a PM if I kicked or banned anybody.
It's done, It's over, and quite honestly acting like that, I am not surprised people thought you were twelve.
A lot of people who can be relatively decent folk on the forum came to the IRC channel after one or the other forum crashes/outages, and haven't gone. A lot of the problems in the IRC are related to that, since a lot of our newest users who act the least appropriately are from that group.
It's not just that group though. There are users who are there that aren't from the forums, and those people seem to like causing some problems.
There aren't just "problem-causers" either, one of the main things I've seen is somebody will start something, and nearly everybody on the channel will join in, which causes a situation where "He was doing it too" would be what I'd receive in a PM if I kicked or banned anybody.
Time shouldn't make a difference.
MacTCP also said he misunderstood the warning kick, as I'm sure we have all done, even if in real life(except not a kick) by getting carried away with something.
While what he did wasn't exactly appropriate, there have been much worse things in the IRC channel where they didn't even get a warning, either via kicking or verbal.
I'm back! I missed 68kmla too much! I figured that if they want to be unfair and ban me on IRC, it doesn't have to affect me on the forums.
Nobody's impression of me changed from this topic, I hope. If so, it really should be changed back. I'm the same person I always have been.
Nobody's impression of me changed from this topic, I hope. If so, it really should be changed back. I'm the same person I always have been.
Good to see you back
All I was saying before is that on the forums you've always come across as a really nice guy, but these topics about IRC have suggested otherwise and made me doubt my impression of you and taking your side before, as it seems as though some real bad stuff happened on there. I don't mean to be horrible and I hope I don't come across as such, that's just the impression this discussion gives off. Of course, there's only one way for us to get the old impression back, and that's by you sticking around and being the person that you always were! (at least on the forums) That's good. [Good to see you back
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I am staying off IRC. Whenever you input your opinion, the other group takes it too seriously. And newer members are not treated as well as the "Pre Crash Posse". Internet Racism. It exists in many forms and ways.
And one more message,
Those of you who pulled the format trick, good job pushing me. I recognized that command, and was reluctant to enter it. But you tricked me. Congrads. I was sharp enough to realize what was occurring, so I puled the plug to avoid serious damage. Onley some recoverable docs were gone. >
That is all I have to say for this thread.
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And one more message,
Those of you who pulled the format trick, good job pushing me. I recognized that command, and was reluctant to enter it. But you tricked me. Congrads. I was sharp enough to realize what was occurring, so I puled the plug to avoid serious damage. Onley some recoverable docs were gone. >
That is all I have to say for this thread.
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Whoa, wait. You're saying that people who decided to join a forum at a different time than others is like people who were born different? There's a difference between something that you did and something that you have no control over. What you said doesn't make sense.
Let me clarify on my comment.
it is just that people are to smug sometimes, and gang up on one person. its complicated. I think people should stop riding a high horse and ride a minimoo.
it is just that people are to smug sometimes, and gang up on one person. its complicated. I think people should stop riding a high horse and ride a minimoo.
I completely understand what he's saying. It's hard to explain.
MacTCP,
Glad you can translate the metaphor.
Takes some thinking.
Glad you can translate the metaphor.
Takes some thinking.
I'm not sure what useful purpose leaving this thread unlocked at this point has...
Fixing the issue.
Why lock it?
They say arguing on the internet is like competing in the special olympics...
Indeed. However sometimes things can be learned from debates via the internet and if you contradict that I know just who to send you to.
I really hate to say this (but it is expected as is said by anyone) that I am frankly put off by the crap aeroraptor, ghmd and techfury (I am NOT going to spell his full name. He runs several instances and I am purposely not going to say it just to piss him off, so there) have really made it unwelcome for ANYONE in the channel. They fight just to corner anyone, and I came here hoping for friends in Mac channels, and instead get insulted every time I go into that channel room. You guys should be ashamed at what you do. When you drive off people that go to a place to be accepted, you are no worse than the n00bs that sometimes get on forums and that are sometimes annoying. Judging by reading this thread, you guys need to GROW UP
Get a clue guys, you are ruining everything that would be fun as part of a community. You run people off just for the fun of it. I never came in there to make trouble and have gone out of the way to keep from starting situations, but you try to drag people in all the time to your little arguements and like to be ban happy to ANYONE that don't agree. You guys really need a life if all you do is argue. You don't research what you say, and you don't even care if you tick off someone just because you don't have the guts to admit that sometimes (well, a LOT of times) you are wrong. You need to open your eyes and get off your high horse and learn some manners. You are NOT perfect.
That being said, I am frankly pissed at your behaviour and have NEVER ever gone into a room so uninviting. Cory, you NEED to get rid of these people. If you can do it, then DO IT. These people make it so uninviting, it makes me regret actually joining this forum. A lot of people here are very nice, but you guys have actually turned this forum into a disaster. I left applefritter because of people being ***-holes. I have NEVER been so uninvited in my life, but you guys make it pure misery being in that room. I will NEVER go back there again because you have put me off in such a way you guys in that channel that do nothing but argue, have put an awful taste in my mouth and have once again reassured my opinion by some of you here (the ones also in the channel that do nothing but the stuff that I described) are evil.
I am sorry I actually joined this forum, sadly... I can't believe some of you here. I have never done anything to cause problems, yet *I* feel like I am the evil one. You guys have made it so uncomfortable, that I don't know why I keep coming back. A lot of stuff in the channel carries over here. I may have my opinions, but I say my piece, and leave it at that. Some you go so far as to actually TRY to offend people.
Shame shame shame
Get a clue guys, you are ruining everything that would be fun as part of a community. You run people off just for the fun of it. I never came in there to make trouble and have gone out of the way to keep from starting situations, but you try to drag people in all the time to your little arguements and like to be ban happy to ANYONE that don't agree. You guys really need a life if all you do is argue. You don't research what you say, and you don't even care if you tick off someone just because you don't have the guts to admit that sometimes (well, a LOT of times) you are wrong. You need to open your eyes and get off your high horse and learn some manners. You are NOT perfect.
That being said, I am frankly pissed at your behaviour and have NEVER ever gone into a room so uninviting. Cory, you NEED to get rid of these people. If you can do it, then DO IT. These people make it so uninviting, it makes me regret actually joining this forum. A lot of people here are very nice, but you guys have actually turned this forum into a disaster. I left applefritter because of people being ***-holes. I have NEVER been so uninvited in my life, but you guys make it pure misery being in that room. I will NEVER go back there again because you have put me off in such a way you guys in that channel that do nothing but argue, have put an awful taste in my mouth and have once again reassured my opinion by some of you here (the ones also in the channel that do nothing but the stuff that I described) are evil.
I am sorry I actually joined this forum, sadly... I can't believe some of you here. I have never done anything to cause problems, yet *I* feel like I am the evil one. You guys have made it so uncomfortable, that I don't know why I keep coming back. A lot of stuff in the channel carries over here. I may have my opinions, but I say my piece, and leave it at that. Some you go so far as to actually TRY to offend people.
Shame shame shame
Some people on IRC have driven people off IRC entirely, which sucks, because some people were mostly on IRC and they seem not to post here, or be on there anymore
You really think that's bad? I've dealt with much worse. At least they don't try to mess with your IRL life.
I left there because I was sick of it. Not because of Aeroraptor, techfury90, etc, because they have nothing against me. I left due to the pure stupidity that other people had brought into the channel. Also how some people were asking for help on upgrading/repairing things that weren't worth the money they would've had to put into them. You tell me what the point is in trying to fix a 15 year old printer that never printed decently to begin with or spending around $50 to hook something up to ethernet? Especially considering it usually would've been much better to just get something newer that's better quality, more compatible, and/or cheaper.
Techfury90 and others were being a little elitist, but to be honest some people were asking for it. I had trouble refraining from acting like that to a bunch of people.
Banned whom? And don't say you, cuz that was mode +q. Some clients parse it as a ban, when it really isn't.
Also, you have forgotten the channel is completely seperate from the forum, as ~tl has transfered control to Cory5412.
Says the one who made up Cisco products to "test us".
Right on. After that cisco products fiasco, I now find it very hard to believe anything you say. I mean, how can we really tell? You fought your point about a new cisco router having dual 733Mhz Geodes, 2GB RAM, web-based controls with java and flash, and all this other nonsense for so long; then once we actually spoke with high-level networking engineers to get the truth you instantly covered your butt saying "oh uhm, I was testing you guys."
So sure you might be right sometimes, but how are we supposed to know? You've just given yourself a bad reputation, and there are consequences of that.
So sure you might be right sometimes, but how are we supposed to know? You've just given yourself a bad reputation, and there are consequences of that.
No, I think you're put off because you're tired of being in a room with people who aren't afraid to correct you when you start rambling.
And *you're* the one saying other people are being rude here?
When you make ridiculous claims, it's only reasonable to expect others to be slightly hostile. Here are some pearls of wisdom from coius, economics expert extraordinaire.
Like when you insulted millions of American consumers:
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Dec 26 01:43:31 when people buy cars for others for christmas and live just to pay bills, those aren't the people I want to be around
Dec 26 01:43:50 because they can't manage their money
Dec 26 01:43:58 and they become burdens on societyThen you make an interesting claim:
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Dec 26 01:45:17 they said average people of MY generation will file 3-4x 's in their life
Dec 26 01:45:24 that's pretty sad
Dec 26 01:45:29 Who are "they"?
Dec 26 01:45:30 people used to not do that
Dec 26 01:45:35 try Forbes
Dec 26 01:45:43 and government studies
Dec 26 01:45:52 Citation needed.
Dec 26 01:46:02 i picked up a forbes magazine about a few months back that said that
Dec 26 01:46:09 i was in the waiting room at a doctor's office
Dec 26 01:46:13 heh
Dec 26 01:46:14 and got bored
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Dec 26 01:57:08 I just saw the article in forbes about my generation, that doesn't mean I don't know what the current economy is
Dec 26 01:57:16 i know a lot more than people think I know
Dec 26 01:57:23 i just don't talk about it in hereHow can you expect to be taken seriously when you make a claim like this?
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Dec 26 01:58:08 it USED to be that if you files bankruptcy, that you had to pay NOTHINGAnd this babble needs no commentary:
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Dec 26 01:58:22 but they changed that, because it kept putting businesses out of business
Dec 26 01:58:26 no business= no jobs
Dec 26 01:58:32 no jobs= more poor people
Dec 26 01:58:35 Citation needed.
Dec 26 01:58:41 that's an oversimplification of everything
Dec 26 01:58:42 poor people = quality of life goes downhill
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Dec 26 00:40:45 well
Dec 26 00:40:56 I *guess* you could get someone like Best Buy to build it
Dec 26 00:40:59 and tell them what you wantIf you want some place to be accepted, go watch Barney or go to church or something. This isn't kindergarten; we're not going to nod and smile when you say something ridiculous. If you say stupid stuff on the Internet, you will get called on it.
And there goes the crazy old pot again, calling the kettle black.
Lively discussions are fun, until someone starts crying because he's losing. Which is exactly what you're doing right now.
Causing trouble? I'd say making boisterous claims regarding things in which you have no expertise is causing trouble, and that is exactly what you do.
No one's been banned.
This is an outright lie. In fact, it's *you* that consistently fail to bring up any evidence when challenged, instead citing some magazine article you read while bored a few months back.
Once again: You are the one that is consistently wrong and refuses to admit so.
And this is based *only* on conversations on IRC, no? Which are in fact separate from this forum?
Do you see a pattern here? You've left multiple places on the Internet because *you* think other people are being assholes. Two different places. The only person in common in these two situations is *you*.
Once again, you *have* done things to cause problems. You say stupid stuff and act belligerent when someone points it out.
You have opinions, but you also state your own ideas as fact. You think that since it's your opinion, it's obviously right.
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Dec 26 01:57:08 I just saw the article in forbes about my generation, that doesn't mean I don't know what the current economy is
Dec 26 01:57:16 i know a lot more than people think I know
Dec 26 01:57:23 i just don't talk about it in here
Dec 26 01:57:23 coius, you do realize that article is pure speculation right?
Dec 26 01:57:35 actually, if you think about it, it's true
Dec 26 01:57:40 no
Dec 26 01:57:43 it's not just forbes telling it
Dec 26 01:57:44 that's because you think it is.
Dec 26 01:57:44 it's not true just because you think about it
Dec 26 01:57:48 unless you're doing some drugs
Dec 26 01:57:54 it's other anylysts, including the governemtn
Dec 26 01:58:01 and if you are, remember: hallucinogens are bad.
Dec 26 01:58:01 you can take numbers
Dec 26 01:58:07 and piece em any way you want to.
Dec 26 01:58:08 seriously.
Hate to say it really, but when you take a forum like this one into a live environment nobody is going to agree. Some communities will get along well but this particular group has a large variation in opinions, which is a good thing, but the impression we've concluded is that nobody is willing to accept anyone elses opinion, true or false. (However a friendly correction of facts is well accepted and is only to help.)
I don't think that channel will ever work out. I can't see a change from the older Undernet and EFnet channels, apart from the userbase, and perhaps that's just where the issue lies.
I don't think that channel will ever work out. I can't see a change from the older Undernet and EFnet channels, apart from the userbase, and perhaps that's just where the issue lies.
Outside of diaz taking over the efnet channel it was pretty easy going for its time, you have immature people joining and attracting more imature people now. Plus nobody puts people in their place as needed.
The concensus seems to be that there needs to be some kind of system to track behavioural issues, but a lot of people are against the idea of "you mess up, you get kickbanned."
I've got a wiki and I think what I'm going to do is set up a page on it where I list all of the people who use the channel, and if they do something, myself or one of the other channel operators can make a note of it in the wiki.
The page will be protected, and I can individually give other operators write access to it, or they can just email me when they want something changed on it.
I've got a wiki and I think what I'm going to do is set up a page on it where I list all of the people who use the channel, and if they do something, myself or one of the other channel operators can make a note of it in the wiki.
The page will be protected, and I can individually give other operators write access to it, or they can just email me when they want something changed on it.
Why not just post a FAQ about the rules, keep the link in the topic of the channel, and kick or ban people acording to the rules.
You will allways have people saying they did not know that you cannot do such and such... too bad.
Giving people multiple chances just lets everyone else know that the rules are worthless.
I think you would end up banning people doing the above, but the channel will be better off for it and maybe some others who left will show up again.
You will allways have people saying they did not know that you cannot do such and such... too bad.
Giving people multiple chances just lets everyone else know that the rules are worthless.
I think you would end up banning people doing the above, but the channel will be better off for it and maybe some others who left will show up again.
If you instantly banned someone for breaking the rules, a majority of users would up and leave, because of the channel ops being to harsh, even though they're just kicking/banning in compliance with the rules.
Well there's the rules, http://ueberwiki.hopto.org/index.php/68kmla_channel_rules (it'll load slowly because it's hosted on my decTOP.)
I keep them http://dana.ucc.nau.edu/clw249/technology/68kchanrules.html on my dana page too, but that's more difficult to update when needed.
I've started looking at options for tracking systems, the biggest thing we'll need is for people in the channel to send a PM to me on my desktop computer (signed in as Cory5412.) I take care of things that have popped up on my desktop computer. If you're reporting something to me, include a line from the conversation so I can search my logs for what happened.
I keep them http://dana.ucc.nau.edu/clw249/technology/68kchanrules.html on my dana page too, but that's more difficult to update when needed.
I've started looking at options for tracking systems, the biggest thing we'll need is for people in the channel to send a PM to me on my desktop computer (signed in as Cory5412.) I take care of things that have popped up on my desktop computer. If you're reporting something to me, include a line from the conversation so I can search my logs for what happened.
You don't ban for every offense. Small stuff gets a warning, worse stuff gets a kick, some stuff you ban for 1st offense.
As far as people leaving, who cares. What you are saying is that people would leave if they cannot be an ass, let them go.