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System 6 Browser Development Opinions
Porter would you like to /consider coding a IIGS version alongside the sys6.0.8 version?
Using mpw-IIGS aand mpw -C this is 'easy'
What say you?
Its requirements are mpw 3.0 and a floppy drive.
Using mpw-IIGS aand mpw -C this is 'easy'
What say you?
Its requirements are mpw 3.0 and a floppy drive.
No, I'd be more interested in doing an "OS/2 Presentation Manager" and or a BeOS port.
But for now, I think I've still got a fair way to go before we have something useable. But providing the source and build environments will permit others to tinker.
Just wanted to give props to porter for this effort. Way to go!!!
Porter, does it render HTML yet? I'd like to give the windows version a try.
No rendering HTML yet, it does all the parsing etc, but I wanted to do all the "cross platform" conformance first at that will set the tone for how I do the rendering. Also, being able to write and debug the rendering using Xcode will vastly improve matters.
I'll throw the win32 binary in the package.
Will this, when done, be comparable to the old versions of Netscape o something? Will it have javascript or css support?
EDIT: And may I suggest a name for the entire engine instead of naming each platform something different?
EDIT: And may I suggest a name for the entire engine instead of naming each platform something different?
No CSS, no Javascript, no JVM plugin, no Applets, no ActiveX, no HTTPS, no QuickTime, no jpeg, no png.
Yes to tables, lists, cookies, proxies and forms.
I'm sticking with "browser6" for the basename of everything. It's what I've put in all the source copyright banners.
You will enjoy the new icon.
I've delivered a new drop to Mr Tetris so peeps can have a play.
I'm most interested in
(a) running on a variety of System 6 operating systems
( B) on different machines
© with different depths of colour, eg 1,2,4,8,16 and 24(32) bits
(d) running on anything other than System 6, what works and what doesn't. Ideally for Mac OS X, grab the one of the Carbon builds.
(e) that entering URLs gives expected results in the title bars and debug window.
I want it confirmed that GIFs are always rendered reasonably appropriately.
The menus always seem to be right, and the about dialog comes up.
Stay clear of "File->Open HTML etc" File Open can only really do GIFs at the moment.
No networking for Carbon yet.
There is a story behind the icon.
I'm most interested in
(a) running on a variety of System 6 operating systems
( B) on different machines
© with different depths of colour, eg 1,2,4,8,16 and 24(32) bits
(d) running on anything other than System 6, what works and what doesn't. Ideally for Mac OS X, grab the one of the Carbon builds.
(e) that entering URLs gives expected results in the title bars and debug window.
I want it confirmed that GIFs are always rendered reasonably appropriately.
The menus always seem to be right, and the about dialog comes up.
Stay clear of "File->Open HTML etc" File Open can only really do GIFs at the moment.
No networking for Carbon yet.
There is a story behind the icon.
Porter, are you using an emu to run mpw?
ah no matter i see here G3 B& W running Tiger and here - Mac plus.
I wonder if mpw runs on mini vmac without having debug and edit problems......
is it my icon?
I can run MPW 3.2 and THINK C 5.0 on a 68000 with System 6.0.8. They will do complete compiles. MPW 3.2 will also run on System 8.6 on PPC.
What do you reckon?
Nope, apparently not. But I get it, ironing out the bugs?
You wanted a surfing reference. As "SurfWriter" had already been grabbed by "Inside Macintosh IV" I used a tangential reference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Moawhango
A "Moawhango Surfboard" is an ironing board, understandable to anyone who's been to the NZ Army Depot.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Moawhango
A "Moawhango Surfboard" is an ironing board, understandable to anyone who's been to the NZ Army Depot.
And BrowserX fails to run on 10.4.11, although Browser9 works.
I'm running 10.4.11 on a BW G3. What does it do? How does it fail, what is the error code? What component says it doesn't run? Are you running it from the Finder?
hmm i see an opportunity for a 286 version of browser(28 )6 for anyone who would take up the mantle.
Do you mean OS2 1.3? There is no winsock before Windows 3.0.
However it would be possible to make it a 16bit Windows for Workgroups program on i386. From memory the only browsers for that required WIN32S.
Are you able to update this site?
Thanks.
Cello, Mosaic and Netscape all shipped in true 16 bit versions for Windows 3.1, probably not 3.0. Mosaic included some horrific hacks that allowed it to use packet drivers, so interesting hacks may have been possible for earlier Windows versions.
porter, I'll update it when I get time. I have school and stuff to deal with so I am more cramped on time. It should be real soon though. 
edit: it's up.
edit: it's up.
What is the URL? the previous link still said browser6.zip, does that contain everything?porter, I'll update it when I get time. I have school and stuff to deal with so I am more cramped on time. It should be real soon though.
edit: it's up.
Just downloaded it - contains gzipped versions of everything.
Do you care for bug reports for the Windows version?
The windows version has a ton of debugging stuff in it, so not really, it's for curiosity.
Do you like the "look" of the windows one?
ah i was refering to trumpet winsock which is sixteen bit and still currently maintained, win 3.11 and a 286 @ 25mhz addressing up to sixteen meg of ram. i belive the 386 users out there are already taken care of with the arachne web browser.
I've made some reasonable progress with adding OpenTransport to the carbonised version.
This means that we can use a reasonable debugger (GDB with Xcode) on Mac OS X to assist with development.
I remember using THINK C debugger on 68k and the PowerPC debugger on PowerPC, but they are truely painful to use. Since using Microsoft Visual Studio C++ my style of writing is write small, test often, stepping through the code as I write it to confirm it does what I want.
Xcode with GDB make a decent development environment for Mac OS.
This means that we can use a reasonable debugger (GDB with Xcode) on Mac OS X to assist with development.
I remember using THINK C debugger on 68k and the PowerPC debugger on PowerPC, but they are truely painful to use. Since using Microsoft Visual Studio C++ my style of writing is write small, test often, stepping through the code as I write it to confirm it does what I want.
Xcode with GDB make a decent development environment for Mac OS.
It certainly surprised the heck out of me! MDI with SYstem 7 widgets seems so strange.
Browser 9 is cool, especially the colured windows.
+ i'm learning a little as the ?debugger output?
is outputting the menu resurce id's (i think thats what you call them)
+ i'm learning a little as the ?debugger output?
is outputting the menu resurce id's (i think thats what you call them)